The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2022, 12:46 AM

**** you are asking for way too much lol

I am sitting here not wanting to take the bait into actually believing they might actually indict Trump.... I mean we have sat here and watched attempt after attempt to pin something on him only to fail again and again... But an FBI raid feels more real than anything else thus far

The Batlord · 08-09-2022, 01:38 AM

Bitch we have a party that is clearly trying to subvert democracy by using the state legislatures and electoral college to make it impossible for the democrats to win anything meaningful while also at best hedging their bets on maybe supporting a coup if it worked out, and the Dems are still acting like **** is chill but just a bit hectic? Now I don't expect them to do a damn thing meaning ful but if they had a lick of sense they'd recognize the obvious and coup them right back cause time is of the essence.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2022, 01:42 AM

Coup them back how?

The Batlord · 08-09-2022, 01:48 AM

They have the presidency and the DOJ and evidence that plenty of the opposition were in league with the coup. Arrest them. Try them. Put them in jail. And if that sounds authoritarian well then **** it they're reacting to actual creeping authoritarianism they might just have the last chance to do something about.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2022, 01:56 AM

I mean I get the impulse but that could also easily lead to like a civil war or something close to that. It's a high risk move if you did it effectively enough to cripple the Republican party. Almost certainly what the Dems are going to do instead is try to maintain the leverage it currently grants them and not squander that by overreaching. They're ironically very conservative in how they seem to approach political power.

I'm curious cause I haven't followed Jan 6 very close... What other members of the GOP do you think they have a credible enough criminal case against?

The Batlord · 08-09-2022, 02:04 AM

I mean I don't remember all the **** but multiple people had some dodgy connection or kept voting for the election being fake. I mean the supporting the fake election **** was clearly an attempt to subvert democracy so that should be a basis all by itself for arrests and on some level that would cover a lot of ****ing Republicans. Like I'm not saying we should only arrest people implicated in provable crimes. This was an explicit attempt to subvert an election by a party looking to subvert even more elections. Extreme prejudice is warranted.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2022, 02:25 AM

Yeah that was what I was asking. Cause you might just get away with punishing all your political enemies if they had actual crimes but to do so on some sorta half assed RICO type logic is going to be transparently political and would almost certainly end badly

Also it doesn't make any sense to frame that sorta thing as protecting democracy... You can't possibly be so naive as to expect them to somehow revert back to having democracy after breaking with basic due process norms in the service of taking out their only real political rivals/obstacles.

The Batlord · 08-09-2022, 02:57 AM

What are you some kinda dumb bitch? These libs ain't gonna do any of that ****. But...

1. You seem to think people will unite to fight against authoritarianism even though your entire political beliefs are about the opposite.

2. The gubment is the gubment. They'll fight the left no matter what, I'd just like for them to fight the right

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2022, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

What are you some kinda dumb bitch? These libs ain't gonna do any of that ****. But...

I know they won't. My point though it's that move honestly doesn't really work in my mind for anyone other than a genuine autocrat. It's not just a problem of the Dems being too sheepish in this case... I think the method you are describing basically presumes giving up on democracy and seizing control.

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1. You seem to think people will unite to fight against authoritarianism even though your entire political beliefs are about the opposite.

I don't assume people will unite no. I think they will continue to polarize and entrench in their respective sides, and if the tensions get high enough then the chance for violence and destabilization becomes higher. I don't know exactly how far this specific scenario would go but to me it seems very likely to lead to something like this or at least to run a significant risk to. I think the fact that people were willing to coup over some rumors about the election being faked gives us a pretty clear indication of how provocative it would be to blatantly arrest the opposition on trumped up charges.

The Batlord · 08-09-2022, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I know they won't. My point though it's that move honestly doesn't really work in my mind for anyone other than a genuine autocrat. It's not just a problem of the Dems being too sheepish in this case... I think the method you are describing basically presumes giving up on democracy and seizing control.

They wouldn't actually need to. The Republican party is currently working on the assumption that the Dems won't call them on their attempted coup but it was clearly a coup. If the Dems just took them seriously it would be ridiculous to push back on them arresting all of these people clearly trying to overthrow the government. If you're trying to require proof it was a coup then I'm sorry but eat a dick.

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I don't assume people will unite no. I think they will continue to polarize and entrench in their respective sides, and if the tensions get high enough then the chance for violence and destabilization becomes higher. I don't know exactly how far this specific scenario would go but to me it seems very likely to lead to something like this or at least to run a significant risk to. I think the fact that people were willing to coup over some rumors about the election being faked gives us a pretty clear indication of how provocative it would be to blatantly arrest the opposition on trumped up charges.

Yup I guess we'd see what happens and who's willing to get shot, but better now than when the coup party has gone even farther.

08-09-2022, 12:46 AM	#23641 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	**** you are asking for way too much lol I am sitting here not wanting to take the bait into actually believing they might actually indict Trump.... I mean we have sat here and watched attempt after attempt to pin something on him only to fail again and again... But an FBI raid feels more real than anything else thus far

08-09-2022, 01:42 AM	#23643 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Coup them back how?

08-09-2022, 01:56 AM	#23645 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I mean I get the impulse but that could also easily lead to like a civil war or something close to that. It's a high risk move if you did it effectively enough to cripple the Republican party. Almost certainly what the Dems are going to do instead is try to maintain the leverage it currently grants them and not squander that by overreaching. They're ironically very conservative in how they seem to approach political power. I'm curious cause I haven't followed Jan 6 very close... What other members of the GOP do you think they have a credible enough criminal case against?

08-09-2022, 02:25 AM	#23647 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Yeah that was what I was asking. Cause you might just get away with punishing all your political enemies if they had actual crimes but to do so on some sorta half assed RICO type logic is going to be transparently political and would almost certainly end badly Also it doesn't make any sense to frame that sorta thing as protecting democracy... You can't possibly be so naive as to expect them to somehow revert back to having democracy after breaking with basic due process norms in the service of taking out their only real political rivals/obstacles.