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02-07-2021, 05:58 AM | #22623 (permalink) |
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Imo you're right that in most cases nobody forced them to work at concentration camps, and that even if they weren't the ones doing the killing they were still aware of what was going on and thus complicit
But most germans were more or less aware of what was happening to Jews and other so called enemies of the state. They might not have known the exact mechanism of how they were being killed, but they knew that they were and that anyone who stepped in to protect them (or even failed to turn them in to the authorities if they knew about them) would meet a similar fate. Most germans were in fact complicit with the genocide to one degree or another. You didn't have to work at a concentration camp to be an accessory. That's probably why these people who worked at the camps but weren't doing the killing or weren't even around the killing weren't charged originally when the war was over. It's not like they just found out about these people... It was known what their role was for 70 years now and only just now did Germany decide that "justice" was necessary. Their society at large had blood on their hands. As soon as they lost the war, it was a race to try to distance yourself from the Nazi regime out of self perseveration. Hypocrites, plain and simple. I'm not saying this to make excuses for the Nazis but to say that if you wanna be real about it, being a German who didn't work at the camps made you no less complicit in the genocide. You knew what was happening and looked the other way. You're just a coward. Congrats on being a pussy. Same way that if you eat meat you're no less complicit in the slaughter of animals then the guy working at the slaughterhouse. You are still a part of the same system, you just have the luxury of not having to see the sausage being made. Last edited by jwb; 02-07-2021 at 06:07 AM. |
02-07-2021, 06:22 AM | #22624 (permalink) |
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I'll say this one more time and then drop it to save Batty's blood pressure.
I am NOT saying she's INNOCENT or should not be prosecuted. I am NOT saying that what I postulate might have happened to her did, that she was in this position. She could have been a very willing/uncaring accomplice. She could have been a card-carrying Nazi. The word here is MIGHT, and you are failing/refusing to allow for the fact that there might be more to this story than meets the eye. You have decided she is guilty for even being involved in a clerical role, and so should be, in your words, hanged. You're not going to change that opinion, you're not going to afford her any benefit of the doubt, and you're not going to try to disguise your - rather disturbing, if I'm honest - blood lust and glee that a woman who's almost ready to die should be subjected to such treatment. Maybe she should. Maybe she is guilty. But you don't have to be such a prick about it. If she's guilty she'll possibly end her life in prison, though as I say there can't be much left of it. It's all about knowing the full story, which you seem not interested in. I bet if it somehow came out that she was pressured into the job, didn't want it but felt she had to take it, you'd be so disappointed, but would probably find a way to put the blame on her. You. Were. Not. There. Nor was I. Neither of us know the truth, which is why your rush to judgement is so abhorrent to me. I'm not advocating a free pass, but I am advocating getting all the facts before setting up the gallows. It would be really helpful to have someone who speaks German (where's grindy when you need him, huh?) to read that interview in the link and see if it tells us more. Not that you care, Batty. But I do. If I'm wrong and there's nothing to shield or excuse her, fine, let them prosecute and jail her. But I'd prefer to wait and get all the facts before condemning her.
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02-07-2021, 07:16 AM | #22626 (permalink) | |
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You lobbed a dumb, bull**** hypothetical into the conversation to give sympathy to a genocide secretary. I am not obligated to pretend that hypothetical has merit. It doesn't. It's moronic. Threatening German citizens with violence if they refused to organize a filing system was not a policy of the Nazis. It simply wasn't.
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02-07-2021, 10:22 AM | #22627 (permalink) |
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Anyway, in other news...
It may be the end of the road for Eddie. The last of our three cats has been losing weight for the last few months, looks weak and acts listless. I took him to the vet two weeks ago and was told he had (as I suspected) something wrong with his teeth - gum disease, in fact. Not a problem, right? Well. Eddie has, as you may or may not know, cardiomyopathy, or something, basically an enlarged heart. This causes problems with his breathing. I've seen him struggle in what I think in a human might be called a panic attack or hyperventilation; I pet him and make a fuss of him and he calms down. It's like he has something in his throat he needs to get up - like when he used to choke up furballs when younger - but there's nothing there. The upshot of this is that Eddie would not be a great candidate for an anaesthetic; the chances of him coming back are pretty low. So the vet decided/advised he should be left as he was, that the pain could be managed with painkillers, anti-inflammatories and so on. Here's the thing though. In order to get those into his system Eddie has to eat his food, and, well Eddie is not eating his food. I'm watching weight fall off him, watching him stare at his food rather uncomprehendingly, obviously hungry but unable to satisfy that hunger due to, presumably, the pain of his teeth. So now Karen and I have to make a decision: demand the operation be performed, knowing that in all likelihood we're sentencing him to death, but holding on to the very slim chance he might pull through, or let him continue as he is, basically watch him starve to death. I ****ing hate this year already.
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Sorry man
If it were my dog I’d have her euthanized. And trust me, I don’t say that lightly. Best to y’all
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02-07-2021, 10:57 AM | #22629 (permalink) |
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We're probably going with this, however ****ing Covid brings up another problem. If I bring him down knowing he's going to sleep, I'm a total ****ing wimp and I know I'll cry and wail and snot all over myself, and it's pretty horrible to do that with a mask on. If, however, I bring him down - while knowing more or less that it's futile - to have the operation, I go home and then if/when I get the call I can cry in comfort at home without a mask.
Sounds ridiculous, and it is, but it's something I have to consider. I don't want to choke behind my mask, and I can't risk/won't be let take it off, but when your pet looks up at you with those trusting eyes and you know what's going to happen, hell, who could keep back the tears? Christ, I hate this ****ing world right now.
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02-07-2021, 11:00 AM | #22630 (permalink) |
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You’ll be vaccinated within a month or so. Just hang on until then if that’s what you need to do.
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