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11-05-2019, 12:46 PM | #19431 (permalink) | |||||
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The scenario is unrealistically over simplified in an attempt to paint my belief as overly simplified. The only realistic example you can give is if I support assisted suicide or euthanasia and I do. It's not overwhelmingly 'good' it's a morally grey area because suffering and happiness is in no way nearly as simple as you are making it out to be in an attempt to paint this belief as simple. Quote:
Edit: And you seem to be treating morality as a complete dichotomy when I don't.
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11-05-2019, 01:03 PM | #19432 (permalink) | ||||
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The utilitarian calculus typically analyzes results above all else. Inaction can lead to more harm than action. Quote:
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11-05-2019, 01:38 PM | #19433 (permalink) |
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11-05-2019, 03:06 PM | #19434 (permalink) |
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11-05-2019, 04:58 PM | #19435 (permalink) | ||||||
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This is an event you have the ability to prevent where people are completely dependent on you. The other situation he's not. Unless we're talking assisted suicide or euthanasia. Quote:
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Even then, that's kind of a lie. You were saying that morality is cultural. Quote:
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11-05-2019, 06:07 PM | #19437 (permalink) | |||||
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That's not at all the question.
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11-05-2019, 06:19 PM | #19439 (permalink) |
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Technically the most utilitarian thing would be to plug us all into the Matrix and give us perfect lives.
They probably won't bother with any of that though since they won't have our same biological inclination towards morality. |
11-05-2019, 06:36 PM | #19440 (permalink) | ||
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Yeah I'm not a utopian who thinks that if we just do this one really awesome thing or enact this one really great system of government that we can enact meaningful change. Really we're talking about an empathy problem with the human race. It's hard to feel empathy for people we're doing things to or other people are doing things to half a world away and that's not going to change without taking a lot of time (centuries probably at least) training human instinct to process far away problems differently than we currently do. But while we're not doing that there are a lot of people dying simply because it's hard to care about Syria or the Congo or where ever from all the way here in American comfy chairs. That's not good and should change. The only step in the right direction I can honestly think of is a total revamp of the UN so that it's not a few powerful countries stonewalling anything that doesn't benefit them while all the smaller countries just deal with issues that don't step on Security Council toes. Aside from that I'd say just on a personal level don't internalize cutthroat pragmatism. You can accept that it's inevitable and that the world is a nasty place but that doesn't mean you have to accept that your own thought processes have to follow that model. You can give that **** the finger even while accepting that there is currently no workable alternative. Maybe a few centuries of people doing that will be part of an honest change in how people deal with the world at large. I agree that morality is probably largely instinctual but instinct isn't written in stone, it's formed by generations doing things over and over.
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