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11-05-2019, 11:56 AM | #19421 (permalink) | ||
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Morality is born from empathy and sympathy. We don't like seeing others suffer. We wouldn't want to kill somebody else who is suffering because we know that they might not want to die. Which would be causing suffering.
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11-05-2019, 12:04 PM | #19422 (permalink) |
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Is it moral to kill 1 baby in order to save 100 people?
Didn't we already answer that question?
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11-05-2019, 12:08 PM | #19423 (permalink) | |
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First I'm straw manning you by bringing it back to suffering vs happiness and next you basically confirm that framework with this post. You can't say "you did the calculation" as the entire premise of the scenario was that somehow we know for a fact that killing him will be a net positive in terms of suffering caused vs suffering alleviated. It's an unrealistic hypothetical scenario, but then again so is the trolly problem and every other utilitarian thought experiment. You had a problem with killing him not just based on suffering but on robbing him of the choice of whether to live. The same suffering vs happiness calculation would apply if he was considering suicide. Yet you wouldn't see that as wrong, because it's his choice. So already we're introducing elements other than pure suffering vs happiness into the moral equation. Which is my point. Not that empathy doesn't inform morality, but it's not the only source that we draw from when making moral decisions. It's not that I don't see the basic appeal of utilitarian thinking. It's just too simplistic to capture morality in its entirety. |
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11-05-2019, 12:09 PM | #19424 (permalink) | ||
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But the most dishonest thing about that question is that it acts like morality is a dichotomy between either right or wrong when there is tons of grey area. Shouldn't be "Is it good to kill a child to save 100 people?" but instead "Is it better to kill a child to save 100 people?" because killing the child is always going to be immoral on a certain level simply because it will cause suffering.
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11-05-2019, 12:21 PM | #19427 (permalink) | |
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Ha, got it in early!
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11-05-2019, 12:23 PM | #19428 (permalink) | |
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It's immoral on a certain level to fart on an elevator but that doesn't make you blatantly evil because I don't think human suffering is as simple as you make it therefor neither is morality.
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11-05-2019, 12:31 PM | #19429 (permalink) | |
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So responding "maybe it won't" is just rejecting the scenario entirely, not answering it. You did prove my point that there's more to it than just a calculation on suffering by bringing up the problem that you are infringing on his right to choose whether to live or die. This is something that tends to bother us regardless of any suffering vs happiness calculation. As I mentioned, if the man were to contemplate suicide, the same suffering vs happiness calculation would apply. Yet we wouldn't see that as wrong because it's his choice. So there is another element at play beyond that calculation. |
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