The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Anteater]

If you are unable to serve the "greater good", then serve yourself and those closest to you that you give two ****s about.

[The Batlord]

Do you see why I vacillate between decrying capitalism and amoral liberalism and mocking everything this society does?

Originally Posted by Anteater

If you are unable to serve the "greater good", then serve yourself and those closest to you that you give two ****s about.

I mean by that logic why don't I just murder you and take your **** and your imaginary Kenyan girlfriend? I think it would be pretty funny if I could get away with it in this context.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Look, A.) the human race is **** and I'm well aware of this, B.) choice is fake news, C.) but if the human race is going to survive as a morally evolving species and not stagnate into a nihilistic race of morlocks who eventually come to finally realize that morality is a lie and they have no future as caring lifeforms then this whole realpolitik foreign policy schtick is not something to be embraced, it is to be seen as an existential enemy the same as nuclear weapons and global warming. I do not know how this is to be achieved but just accepting pragmatism is death. Like actual death at some point in the future. This is why I'm bringing up religion and convoluted morality and ****.

you're creating a moral imperative with no cohesive way to achieve it

It's very similar to tying a man up, murdering his wife in front of him, and then chastising him for not defending her

Sorry but "I don't know how" = you are proposing nothing but sentiment and well wishes.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I mean by that logic why don't I just murder you and take your **** and your imaginary Kenyan girlfriend? I think it would be pretty funny if I could get away with it in this context.

I'd have a better shot at destroying your comic collection methinks.

I personally think you'd be better off just murdering your boss or something if you wanted to upset the status quo in your life.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

you're creating a moral imperative with no cohesive way to achieve it

It's very similar to tying a man up, murdering his wife in front of him, and then chastising him for not defending her

Sorry but "I don't know how" = you are proposing nothing but sentiment and well wishes.

It's a sentiment humankind has been moving toward for thousands of years. It's why we apply morality to literally every single aspect of our lives. It doesn't make sense and has no logical outcome but it's our imperative that we've taken upon ourselves and so we must and will see it through because the alternative is turning to pure pragmatism which I have already put on blast. It's why socialism exists as an ideal and I say it's as good as any utopian ideal we've come up with that is probably unworkable but nice sounding so if the rest of the human race decides it's a hill worth dying on then I'll go along with it happily. It's better than liberal moral death (your route), which is basically where we're headed at the moment.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Anteater

I'd have a better shot at destroying your comic collection methinks.

Bat’s dick is so small it doesn’t count if he “****s” your girlfriend.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Anteater

I'd have a better shot at destroying your comic collection methinks.

[Anteater]

The point is that you can "do" whatever you want to someone else if you don't fear repercussions or consequences. But we all have those fears to some extent. It's the glue that holds society together despite massive variations on the spectrum of individual morality between people.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Bat’s dick is so small it doesn’t count if he “****s” your girlfriend.

Does he even like black chicks?

[The Batlord]

It's not wanting to do those things that holds society together. If people wanted to do that **** they'd find a way. That's why capitalism exists. That's the terrible **** that people actually want to do to each other.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

It's a sentiment humankind has been moving toward for thousands of years. It's why we apply morality to literally every single aspect of our lives.[/QUOTE[no, it's not.

It doesn't make sense and has no logical outcome but it's our imperative that we've taken upon ourselves and so we must and will see it through because the alternative is turning to pure pragmatism which I have already put on blast. It's why socialism exists as an ideal and I say it's as good as any utopian ideal we've come up with that is probably unworkable but nice sounding so if the rest of the human race decides it's a hill worth dying on then I'll go along with it happily. It's better than liberal moral death (your route), which is basically where we're headed at the moment.

the choice isn't even between global socialism and ordinary geopolitics. You can choose to stop investing in military supremacy. The likely result will be another power supercedes us, not that we form a global communist collective.

If you completely reject any cricism based on pragmatism the likelihood of you coming up with an unworkable plan that fails and only makes things worse is exceedingly high.