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jwb 11-04-2019 07:24 PM

Subjective yet utterly dependant on being treated as if it's something approaching objective in order for it to function properly.

E.G. if you believe killing innocent children and eating them is wrong, you are basically going to view it as wrong even when it happens in a society where that's normal. You might view them as ignorant/misguided and thus not judge them as harshly as someone in your own culture, but you will still view the act itself as something best avoided.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2019 07:30 PM

Nah, I view morality as what harms or helps.

jwb 11-04-2019 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2087729)
Nah, I view morality as what harms or helps.

that's derived from a particular form of secular humanism/utilitarianism which is culturally prevalent in parts of the modern west. It's not an objective standard.. it's just the one you embrace

jwb 11-04-2019 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2087730)
I only believe in eating the guilty ones...they know who they are

I feel the same way about stoning adulterers

Seriously though.. going back to your comments on things not being "justified" by biology. By using that term you are basically imposing your own (admittedly subjective and culturally provincial) form of morality on all human behavior. Merely by suggesting there is something to be "justified." Justified by what standard?

jwb 11-04-2019 07:48 PM

That isn't an answer to my question

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2019 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2087731)
that's derived from a particular form of secular humanism/utilitarianism which is culturally prevalent in parts of the modern west. It's not an objective standard.. it's just the one you embrace

Sure, if you say so.

jwb 11-04-2019 07:55 PM

@ elph

Basically you agree that judging a particular social norm relies on you imposing your own social norms on someone who doesn't necessarily share them.

And you also see morality as subjective.

So by what standard do you actually condemn any cultural or social norm? By your own particular subjective (culturally and socially influenced) set of norms that you happen to abide by? So saying they "aren't justified" is just saying they don't share your particular rule book.

Frownland 11-04-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2087742)
@ elph

Basically you agree that judging a particular social norm relies on you imposing your own social norms on someone who doesn't necessarily share them.

And you also see morality as subjective.

So by what standard do you actually condemn any cultural or social norm? By your own particular subjective (culturally and socially influenced) set of norms that you happen to abide by? So saying they "aren't justified" is just saying they don't share your particular rule book.

Got em!

@elph
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jwb 11-04-2019 07:59 PM

^lol..

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2019 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2087733)
harm or help if a DUI carried the death penalty?

Seems like a disproportionate response so it'd be harmful.

It also stems from the idea that criminals need to be punished rather than rehabilitated which is also harmful.

Realizing what's actually harmful kind of pushes social norms other wise we'd still own slaves because we'd have never questioned it.


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