The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

lol

as opposed to stealing other countries peasants food

or maybe simply enslaving them

you keep deflecting with that but that's literally all the soviets did differently. They decided to buy machines instead of let their people eat. It's not like I'm arguing in favor of capitalism or saying that America didn't use conquest and slavery to benefit our position. But when we industrialized didn't have 10-30 million people die in an artificially produced famine. So when you point to the soviet union or China and maybe they're doing something better than us cause they're growing faster... Without bringing up those deaths... Yea that's propaganda.

[OccultHawk]

But communism is bad. That’s the only point there is. Anything else is ridiculous.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You accused elph of using that video you two are arguing about as a sneaky way of promoting the Soviet Union because it only talks about the ways in which the Soviet economy worked. I'm accusing you of hypocrisy because you do a similar thing with capitalism.

yea but you're simply wrong. I openly stated that America is wealthy based on conquest, slavery and winning ww2.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

this is besidez the point but

think as to why the Soviets prioritized industrialization

they feared being militarily trampled

they turned out to be right on that see: WW2

that was one reason, yes.

But in general they also needed to industrialize in their pov to really create communism. They needed the proletariat as a political base and the mechanized efficiency of industrial out put to truly bring them up out of backwater status and realize their communist vision.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by jwb

yea but you're simply wrong. I openly stated that America is wealthy based on conquest, slavery and winning ww2.

Yeah I think you're a capitalism flip flopper tbh. Like you know it isn't the bees knees but sometimes you still find yourself channeling that kid who grew up in America learning American things and you defend stuff on reflex. There's no shame in it tbh. I find it hard sometimes to think rationally about Afghanistan personally. I mean **** the Iraq War but that mu****er hit us with planes and then the Taliban gave us the finger. Wutcha gonna do but drop bombs?

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You try to tell him multiple times to his face (so to speak) that a statistic about only people making $7.25 or below isn't representative of poverty and he just kinda bulldozes over it and shoots rainbows out of his ass into your eyes.

Except the stats I quoted cover people above that threshold too. That's why the number is 1.8 million as opposed to 550 thousand (the 550k being people at minimum wage or below: 1.8 million covers people above that threshold going up to at least 20 dollars an hour). I don't get what you guys are arguing with me about at all when you can't respond to actual numbers and I get handed some graph from 2012 that talks %s of demographics with no accompanying numbers in regards to the population stats it's supposedly citing.

The vast majority of Americans are way above those thresholds (which is why I cited the total U.S. population census in 2019 for reference). 1.8 million people is a drop in the bucket and nowhere near the 42% of our population (or whatever the hell OH was trying to cite). Present me information that actually proves otherwise.

[The Batlord]

It said "exactly" minimum wage. And below.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah I think you're a capitalism flip flopper tbh. Like you know it isn't the bees knees but sometimes you still find yourself channeling that kid who grew up in America learning American things and you defend stuff on reflex. There's no shame in it tbh. I find it hard sometimes to think rationally about Afghanistan personally. I mean **** the Iraq War but that mu****er hit us with planes and then the Taliban gave us the finger. Wutcha gonna do but drop bombs?

well tel me where I contradicted myself and maybe then I'll admit you're onto something

But so far I'm not noticing the flip flop

Capitalism is effective at one thing which is creating wealth and streamlining production. It's bad at other things like the environment, it creates inequality, etc.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Anteater

Except the stats I quoted cover people above that threshold too. That's why the number is 1.8 million as opposed to 550 thousand (the 550k being people at minimum wage or below: 1.8 million covers people above that threshold going up to at least 20 dollars an hour). You guys are so insistent on saving your own asses that you can't even read a damn paragraph's worth of information.

So you’re claiming there’s only 1.8 million people making less than $20 an hour in the entire United States? If you are I’ll bet a permaban you’re wrong.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I think it was mostly about nationalism dressed in a Marxist rhetoric but sure

however any real communist society must have no military whatsoever to work Im convinced of this

not a cent can be spent on guns, therefore there can be no countries, no borders

how do you ensure the other side also doesn't have guns