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07-29-2019, 05:45 PM | #18521 (permalink) |
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But the only examples of a complex society like our own working has always had the basic apparatus of the state as the Monopoly of force. This has always been true since the dawn of civilization. Because as soon as we developed the ability to create a surplus of goods, there were hordes of bandits looking to raid that surplus.
More primitive, stateless societies like tribes never exceed a certain size and they don't create the same kind of surplus or wealth. |
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I also want to clarify that I'm only talking about American police.
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Actually I have to go out now, but will come back to your other points if I can think up some decent answers.
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07-29-2019, 06:38 PM | #18525 (permalink) | |
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It's something I try to ask myself to avoid becoming too dogmatic about any one stance.
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Also, one thing that aligns a little more closely with the localized element that you mentioned is that we train our policemen to shoot to kill when they fear for their safety instead of deescalating the situation, and the application of that often aligns with aforementioned hierarchical norms. Then there's the undeniable disparity in accountability for police brutality based on who the victim is. It's not as blatantly racist as the 3/5ths rule, but the inequality is certainly there. The subtlety is what's kept it in place for so long tbf. If you aren't super familiar with American police then it can seem silly but these mfs are sneaky. Wait, don't you live in Mexico? How do you feel about the police there if you don't mind me asking? Please do.
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07-29-2019, 07:06 PM | #18526 (permalink) |
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I don't even disagree way the police interact with communities is problematic and that there are basic structural problems with the current state of things, but...
I don't understand what that has to do with splashing water on cops, hating cops specifically, or fantasizing about a world without them. How exactly does any of this help the problems you identified? |
07-29-2019, 07:31 PM | #18528 (permalink) |
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Much like Antifa streetfighters, I think the water dousing is detrimental to solving the problem. As far as hating cops, I don't think that solves the problem outside of stigmatizing the profession to keep people from prolonging it, but that doesn't mean that it isn't justified. As far as solving problems goes, I think that near-Draconian punishment of the abuse of power is the first step. There's the prospect of refining the law to be more just but I think you're only asking for realistic solutions so I won't waste your time with that.
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