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Old 07-22-2019, 01:35 PM   #18451 (permalink)
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communes are doomed to poverty as they're surrounded by capitalism

it's always been that communism must be global to succeed
This is what I always tell people. Communism can never succeed when the whole world thrives on capitalist values. I notice a lot of the times a socialist or communist government crumbles it has something to do with trade deals. But I'm also not as educated as you guys so it feels good for my thoughts to be validated.
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:18 PM   #18452 (permalink)
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Ok so communism is global. So I guess that applies to the anarchist version too, even though it's sorta impossible for me to imagine a global anarchist order.

But then do you honestly believe the entire world is gonna be converted at once? Wouldn't living in a commune be more equitable than a low wage corporate job, and help you at least learn things about managing that kind of dynamic more than continuing to punch a clock will?

In other words... Are you sure that a better path to your goal doesn't involve trial and error and leading by example rather than getting completely immersed in Marxist theory while continuing to live by punching a clock or collecting a salary?
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:41 PM   #18453 (permalink)
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Ok so communism is global. So I guess that applies to the anarchist version too, even though it's sorta impossible for me to imagine a global anarchist order.

But then do you honestly believe the entire world is gonna be converted at once? Wouldn't living in a commune be more equitable than a low wage corporate job, and help you at least learn things about managing that kind of dynamic more than continuing to punch a clock will?

In other words... Are you sure that a better path to your goal doesn't involve trial and error and leading by example rather than getting completely immersed in Marxist theory while continuing to live by punching a clock or collecting a salary?
Me? You're not gonna jump to conclusions on me, buddy. I'm all about the materialism I just think I should be able to survive on my own off of the gulags as well as having my mental health taken care of. You know, live in a system where the laborers that they exploit get to have enjoyable lives as well rather than over worked and over stressed hells by a system that doesn't really give a **** about you or what you put in while actively trying to keep you in the gulags.

I appreciate the lectures on accountability though.
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:53 PM   #18454 (permalink)
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read the Manifesto

you ask questions that you'd know the answer to already

though there is not to be a "global order", the rejection of capitalism is to be global
how about just answer the question instead of deflecting
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:54 PM   #18455 (permalink)
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Me? You're not gonna jump to conclusions on me, buddy. I'm all about the materialism I just think I should be able to survive on my own off of the gulags as well as having my mental health taken care of. You know, live in a system where the laborers that they exploit get to have enjoyable lives as well rather than over worked and over stressed hells by a system that doesn't really give a **** about you or what you put in while actively trying to keep you in the gulags.

I appreciate the lectures on accountability though.
It's a simple question of logistics. The fact that you can't answer it is on you.
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:58 PM   #18456 (permalink)
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Ok so communism is global. So I guess that applies to the anarchist version too, even though it's sorta impossible for me to imagine a global anarchist order.

But then do you honestly believe the entire world is gonna be converted at once? Wouldn't living in a commune be more equitable than a low wage corporate job, and help you at least learn things about managing that kind of dynamic more than continuing to punch a clock will?

In other words... Are you sure that a better path to your goal doesn't involve trial and error and leading by example rather than getting completely immersed in Marxist theory while continuing to live by punching a clock or collecting a salary?
What goal? They dont have goals.. They just sit here complaining about stuff and how things should be with no consideration for how the world actually works or attempts to make change in the areas their societal positions allow them to affect. It's a dog and pony show... no better than our presidential candidates.
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Old 07-22-2019, 03:02 PM   #18457 (permalink)
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Honestly I think you're just too autistic to understand ennui or something.
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Old 07-22-2019, 03:04 PM   #18458 (permalink)
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how about just answer the question instead of deflecting
If you haven’t read the Communist Manifesto he’s not deflecting. He’s giving you guidance so you can communicate as a peer with people who are educated on the matter. If you haven’t read Marx we can’t discuss Marxism.
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What goal? They dont have goals.. They just sit here complaining about stuff and how things should be with no consideration for how the world actually works or attempts to make change in the areas their societal positions allow them to affect. It's a dog and pony show... no better than our presidential candidates.
TFW you discover JWB is a street version of DWV.
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Old 07-22-2019, 03:10 PM   #18460 (permalink)
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It's a simple question of logistics. The fact that you can't answer it is on you.
The question assumes I want communism. I can't answer a question assuming I want something that I don't.

But probably. I imagine a commune would work a lot differently from a communist government because scale and etc., but getting some sort of sample of what it'd be like couldn't hurt. Though, I don't think they can really cause any sort of change from inside a commune. If they want to change anything they have to play the capitalist game.
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