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Old 01-19-2019, 02:13 PM   #16601 (permalink)
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I don't doubt you're right about that. But I do wonder how many steps it would really take to roll that progress right back again.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:16 PM   #16602 (permalink)
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It's not just modern cultural mores to be reckoned with, but we have actual historical precedents to give us pause. Martin Luther King shamed the whole country to a powerful extent that won't be forgotten simply because racism still exists. Will and Grace made gays likeable even if we're not sure if they should be able to adopt children.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:44 PM   #16603 (permalink)
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Another 9/11 would definitely add crazy amounts of fuel to the fire.
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:00 PM   #16604 (permalink)
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I liked how BuzzFeed got slapped down by Mueller.
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:14 PM   #16605 (permalink)
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we are one bad terrorist incident from Trump becoming a dictator
i was just talking to jwb about this

terrorist incident, natural disaster, anything with mass destruction and casualties

but he doesn't think it'll take even that
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:22 PM   #16606 (permalink)
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Yeah but while 9/11 caused Americans to be more receptive to policies that were authoritarian it in no way caused Americans to question democracy in favor of authoritarianism. Democracy isn't just a political belief in America, it is a mindless fetish. It being a fetish allows for subverting democracy since Americans don't really understand what they're fetishizing but they do still fetishize it to an extent that makes overt authoritarianism a hard sell. Authoritarianism can't be directly elected or argued for, it needs to be sneakily slided in, and that's where I'm wondering if there's a glass ceiling for fascism that can't be overcome without a massive mitigating factor.

You know, like global warming. So yeah... ugh.
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:25 PM   #16607 (permalink)
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Authoritarianism can't be directly elected or argued for, it needs to be sneakily slided in
Just like Chula.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:46 PM   #16608 (permalink)
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No you wouldn't, shut the **** up.
Dude believe me or don’t but I’d die before I walked around a human barricade to get to a class I paid to attend. I guess you don’t believe me but I’d die over it.
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we are one bad terrorist incident from Trump becoming a dictator
What can a dictator do that Trump can’t?
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build a border wall apparently
True.

Stalin would’ve only had to say it once.
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