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MicShazam 08-22-2018 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 1989628)
Synagogue.

shinto shrine

Frownland 08-22-2018 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1989622)
You were half the reason it got shut down.

Exactly. You whiny bitches can't handle *this*

Anteater 08-22-2018 02:57 PM

Cohen going to jail doesn't mean Trump would go to jail (its basically Cohen's word versus his on whether or not he was "directed" to pay off those women), There were a few inconsistencies in his testimony I noticed too, but maybe it doesn't mean much in the end. We'll just have to see what Mueller has up his sleeve. That's where the magic will happen (if it happens at all).

The Batlord 08-22-2018 03:02 PM

Yeah I'm sure Trump's own lawyer is gonna perjure himself just to send his client to jail. That's what lawyers do.

Key 08-22-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1989672)
Cohen going to jail doesn't mean Trump would go to jail (its basically Cohen's word versus his on whether or not he was "directed" to pay off those women), There were a few inconsistencies in his testimony I noticed too, but maybe it doesn't mean much in the end. We'll just have to see what Mueller has up his sleeve. That's where the magic will happen (if it happens at all).

Implying it won't have an effect on Trump is just silly and willfully ignorant.

Anteater 08-22-2018 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1989695)
Implying it won't have an effect on Trump is just silly and willfully ignorant.

It definitely could, but if you are wanting to know how it could or could not lead to impeachment, it helps to study a variety of perspectives. Cause these arguments will be made. This guy, for example, worked under Bill Clinton for awhile and has a good grasp on the subject.

Mark Penn - "Cohen's plea deal is prosecutor's attempt to set up Trump"

Key 08-22-2018 08:08 PM

I don't think it's that clear cut obv. I'd be surprised if nothing came out of it considering the severity of the cases. I'm no expert, but typically it's a bad thing when you're lawyer states under oath that there was involvement from the president in question even if he wasn't named.

I'll check the link a bit later. Thanks!

Anteater 08-22-2018 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1989706)
I don't think it's that clear cut obv. I'd be surprised if nothing came out of it considering the severity of the cases. I'm no expert, but typically it's a bad thing when you're lawyer states under oath that there was involvement from the president in question even if he wasn't named.

The critical piece here is going to come down to whether or not personal money or actual campaign money was used for those transactions. If Cohen changes his story again then he'll just end up in even more trouble than he is already, especially after being put under oath.

Trump's chances at being re-elected in 2020 are looking slim to nothing as of right now in any case, and that's for the best.

Key 08-22-2018 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1989709)
The critical piece here is going to come down to whether or not personal money or actual campaign money was used for those transactions. If Cohen changes his story again then he'll just end up in even more trouble than he is already.

Wasn't that a topic that was discussed tho? I'm genuinely curious because I've read that though he didn't name the president by name, it was still implied that it was the current president that gave him the hush money. But I could be off base.

Anteater 08-22-2018 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1989710)
Wasn't that a topic that was discussed tho? I'm genuinely curious because I've read that though he didn't name the president by name, it was still implied that it was the current president that gave him the hush money. But I could be off base.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...dollars-2018-8

This also covers a fair amount of ground, but the important piece here is that Cohen didn't start getting reimbursed by Trump for his "legal services" until 2017, long after the election had run its course. Money was actually spent in 2016 by Cohen for a variety of things, plus he was doing a lot of illegal actions (like the stuff with AT&T and others who wanted access to Trump) with his practice on the side that Trump was unaware of, which complicates the situation. If Cohen was seeking reimbursement from Trump, where did he get the money in the first place? They need to prove that Cohen had access to campaign funds or some other source other than his own personal money / assets.


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