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Old 06-03-2018, 03:39 PM   #11711 (permalink)
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:40 PM   #11712 (permalink)
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:42 PM   #11713 (permalink)
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:42 PM   #11714 (permalink)
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Theism and atheism are both valid as long as you are trying to address some sort of fundamental question and you can explain it coherently. The most basic one being "what was the first cause?". Go back far enough and science in it's current form goes into territory just as fantastical as anything a Bible thumper would come up with. Some of the more scientifically-minded theists argue that our universal laws had to have been "programmed" into existence, and they see it as proof of a creator of some kind. A twist on the idea of an "intelligent designer".

On the other hand, we don't have hard proof of a creator in the traditional sense. Is there evidence, however, of some kind of "intent" in our observable surroundings? That's where I'm seeing a lot of debates recently.
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:46 PM   #11715 (permalink)
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Some of the more scientifically-minded theists argue that our universal laws had to have been "programmed" into existence, and they see it as proof of a creator of some kind. A twist on the idea of an "intelligent designer".
That seems like more like a consequence of pop science than a consequence of atheism or a scientific mind.
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I think humans are just wired to try and make order in the world around them. Theism, conspiracytheorism, an impulse to collect stamps and sort them chronologically: It all comes from largely the same impulse. So does trying to push our human perspective down over the universe. If we think like this then, surely, so must the universe. We won't accept it just being an unexplainable weird thing that just is. I think it's very possible that reality cannot be explained.
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Like you've ever had a constructive discussion without resorting to condescension.

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Old 06-03-2018, 03:57 PM   #11718 (permalink)
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