Lisnaholic |
05-26-2018 08:31 AM |
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Originally Posted by Anteater
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I dunno why people are dismissing "Obamagate" and "Spygate" when we know that the previous administration likely was surveilling Trump's people in different ways under a pretext based on the FISA warrant. Someone would have to be Pizzagate-level dumb to think Stefan Halper was the only guy sent in with a fishing pole. Or maybe just dumb enough to believe everything Clapper said after all that fallout with Edward Snowden, lol.
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^ My understanding is that for the phone-tapping and Spygate accusations, there was never any evidence to begin with: I think that's what the phone-tapping investigation concluded. Jury still out on Spygate of course, but I've not heard of any detail yet that suggests the confidential informant was a spy.
I have no idea about Pizzagate or Snowdon because they predate my interest in American politics, I'm afraid. :o:
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The problem that I've seen out there isn't whether or not Trump's lies can be disproven. Depending on what he's talking about (such as climate change), they easily can be refruted. But when the media take him out of context (like his "animals" comment) or try to dismiss / suppress other things he says that actually have a basis in truth (such as his observations about Sweden and Germany's inability to integrate refugee populations effectively), then you have a problem where you know Trump's opponents in the media are willing to lie or obfuscate when its convenient as much as he does. That's where the real divide is taking place.
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^ Yes, I agree about the unfair mileage that was made about the "animals" comment when it was used without reffing MS-13.
About Sweden's and Germany's problems, didn't Trump start talking about a non-existant terrorist attack? I can't quite remember, and that's indicative of the problem at the moment: complex story lines that people can't quite remember, so that when it comes to election time people start thinking, "Yeah, wasn't there something about Dems phone-tapping Trump...?", which serves as a propaganda win for Trump.
I'm sure it works both ways to some extent, that no party or biased media is innocent, but this statistic has been widely quoted, and afaik not seriously refuted:-
https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-ne...e-of-his-best/
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