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05-22-2018, 07:35 PM | #11071 (permalink) | |
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Would the attacks be meaningful if they had no casualties? People actually died Bonus question: would John McCain have complied with the draft if the public opinion was that it inherently made him a war criminal? Hint: the answer is yes. That's why Johnny boy is worth decrying.
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05-22-2018, 07:36 PM | #11072 (permalink) | ||
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Also, my original point is failing to understand Anteater's comment about Trump. I'm not fetishizing soldiers, or endorsing America's involvement in Vietnam or suggesting that civilian deaths are ok. I'm just suggesting that Trump should show some respect for a US soldier who has endured five horrific years of a kind that Trump can prob not imagine. Quote:
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05-22-2018, 07:44 PM | #11075 (permalink) |
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The bombing missions were straight up mass murder. Dead is dead. McCain is a war criminal and it’s too bad he won’t be executed for his crimes before he dies. Dodging the draft was heroic. If everyone had done it this horrible massacre wouldn’t have happened. I spit on the grave of every American piece of **** that died over there. ****ing worthless cowards. **** all of them.
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05-22-2018, 07:55 PM | #11076 (permalink) | |
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As far as war and murder goes, I have to somewhat agree that you're basically going in with the knowledge that you're going to be killing someone else, and that's why it absolutely has to be a last resort and not a step before. If people's safety and your own safety is at risk, then that's when it's time and the problem with Vietnam is that there were so many lies told about our involvement. Until years after, the lie was that Vietnam sunk one of our ships until it was proven that the Johnson Administration lied. Also, we were bombing all of Southeast Asia for the most part which the public had no idea of, so it wasn't just Vietnam but Laos, Cambodia, Burma, etc. |
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05-22-2018, 07:57 PM | #11077 (permalink) | ||
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Lisna, the whole reason I shared that Tokyo Rose vid was to illustrate that McCain embellished his time as a POW. It throws that whole narrative you cited on Wikipedia into question. What he told officials in government privately and the story that was sold to the American people don't completely line up. As far as I'm concerned, he and the government puffed up the story to distract from his war crimes + the fact he likely sang like a bird to his captors before any torture was actually done to him (assuming we take his own account at face value, which I don't).
Trump is fundamentally right about him even if you don't align with that sentiment.
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05-22-2018, 08:14 PM | #11079 (permalink) | ||
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05-22-2018, 08:25 PM | #11080 (permalink) | |||
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I'm surprised that Trump doesn't appreciate his armed forces more: it's a very unusual leader who denigrates the people who, in the worst of cases, would die to defend the country he leads. Quote:
Completely failing to understand McCain's role at My Lai. Sorry. Quote:
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