The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[The Batlord]

Yeah videos aren't showing up so you two are just ****ting in the wind atm.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah videos aren't showing up so you two are just ****ting in the wind atm.

Thought I was hallucinating about that for a min. Guess it ain't just me.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah videos aren't showing up so you two are just ****ting in the wind atm.

It's like watching two mimes fight!

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

More people have been killed at schools this year than have been killed while serving in the military. - Washington Post

^ That's a remarkable statistic. After Santa Fe High School, duplicitous politicians are wringing their hands and saying "Never again" yet again.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Wikipedia on John McCain:-

Spoiler for McCain's Vietnam experiences:

On July 29, 1967, McCain was a lieutenant commander when he was near the epicenter of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control. With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany, another aircraft carrier employed in Operation Rolling Thunder. Once there, he would be awarded the Navy Commendation Medal and the Bronze Star Medal for missions flown over North Vietnam.

He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi. McCain fractured both arms and a leg when he ejected from the aircraft, and nearly drowned after he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him. McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".

Although McCain was seriously wounded and injured, his captors refused to treat him. They beat and interrogated him to get information, and he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a high-ranking admiral. His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.

McCain spent six weeks in the hospital, where he received marginal care. He had lost 50 pounds (23 kg), was in a chest cast, and his gray hair had turned as white as snow. McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi. In December 1967, McCain was placed in a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live more than a week. In March 1968, McCain was placed into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.

In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by the POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct which states in Article III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy". To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.

Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to a program of severe torture. He was bound and beaten every two hours; this punishment occurred at the same time that he was suffering from dysentery. Further injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide," but his preparations were interrupted by guards. Eventually, McCain made an anti-U.S. propaganda "confession". He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine." Many U.S. POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements; virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors. McCain received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.

McCain refused to meet various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory. From late 1969, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable, while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities. McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.

McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years until his release on March 14, 1973. His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

Trump on McCain:-

Spoiler for video most people can't read:

^ EDIT: It doesn't matter when or where the fighting is, there is one common theme among soldiers returning from war and that is that the civilian population have no idea what a soldier in battle really goes through. Most civilians accept this and give due respect to war vets.
Not so civilian Trump who says of John McCain, " He's not a war hero.....he's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, ok?" In one assinine sentence Trump belittles McCain's courage during years of imprisonment and torture. Also, by implication, he belittles every soldier who had the misfortune to become a POW by implying that being captured is the fault of the individual soldier. Anyone with a passing knowledge of military history knows that this is not necessarily the case. The problema is that Trump has all the intuition about war of a ten-year-old watching a movie,bouncing up and down in his seat shouting bam-bam. This is borne out by his comments about the security guard who failed to go into the Parkland school: "I don't know, but if it was me, I think I would've gone in..." Dream on, you pathetic draft-dodging coward.

Anteater on Trump:-

Me on Anteater:-

[Anteater]

[The Batlord]

Who ****ing cares? It's torture. It's supposed to hurt a lot. If possible don't say anything that gets someone killed I guess, but otherwise I'm game for whatever they want me to say or sign without them even having to lay a hand on me. I'd almost certainly end up doing it anyway given enough time and punishment. Just let me the **** out.

[Chula Vista]

Took 5.5 years of hell (over 2,000 days) before McCain reached his breaking point. Pretty damn honorable in my book.

Trump on the other hand....

The son of a wealthy real estate developer, Trump received four student deferments that were followed by a 1968 medical deferment that came a few months after he graduated from the University of Pennsylvania.

After denigrating McCain during remarks today at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, Trump faced reporters’s questions about his lack of service. Asked about the last of his five deferments, Trump said that his disqualifying medical condition was a bone spur in one of his feet (he could not remember which one). It is unknown on which golf course the injury was sustained.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Took 5.5 years of hell (over 2,000 days) before McCain reached his breaking point. Pretty damn honorable in my book.

Trump on the other hand....

Hey hey hey now! Trump served his country. Club.

[Frownland]

McCain went into a country with the express purpose of murdering its citizens and was surprised when they didn't like that.

Trump successfully abstained from becoming a war criminal because of his wealth.

Guess which one is more ethical?

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

McCain went into a country with the express purpose of murdering its citizens and was surprised when they didn't like that.

Trump successfully abstained from becoming a war criminal because of his wealth.

Nice spin.