The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[OccultHawk]

Jokes are verboten

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Jokes are verboten

^ First off, nothing wrong with jokes. I don't think I suggested there was.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I will now expect you to come down on anyone who makes fun of Donald Trump's hair or fake tan.

^ Secondly, men find it pretty easy to shrug off jokes about their appearance, because they are typically judged by other standards. Also, they don't typically spend time choosing earings, putting on make up to try and look their nicest. Being judged on appearances and not merit is a much more sensitive issue for women.

Originally Posted by Frownland

Here is her joke: She burns facts and she uses that ash to create a perfect smokey eye.

Sounds more like criticism of her dishonesty coupled with a reference to her makeup. This is being breathlessly reported because news is kind of slow, don't give into the hype. This is a non-story and honestly, the comedian was incredibly tame.

^ My guess is that the other SHS joke was more hurtful. The one that said she looked like a character on tv deliberately presented as being cruel and ugly.

My complaint is this: SHS was invited as a guest, sat in full public view without a microphone to defend herself, then insulted to her face for being ugly. To me it's those circumstances that make the joke so cruel, and yes, Michelle Wolf is a comedian, but is that really a carte blanche to say what you like where you like without regard to people's feelings ?

This guy's a comedian too. Does that make this ok?



Finally, quite right, in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty small news item, but long term it's undermined the press's stance of criticizing the pettiness of Trump's tweets, etc. Next time pundits complain that Trump said, "She's too ugly to tempt me into sexual abuse," every GOP lackey has been given a comeback; "The Whitehouse Correspondent's Association countenanced an attack on SHS's looks so don't be hypocritical."

[Frownland]

Lmao likening that to racism (didn't watch the video btw) is over the top man. She was roasting everyone, comedians cut deep and even then, that's hardly cutting deep. Everyone needs to loosen their grip on their pearls. Imagine if she had really gone in on her in a genuinely sexist way, there wouldn't be enough smelling salts in the world for everyone to come to terms with the situation. The whole event reeks of cheap glamour and media masturbation anyway, plus they'll never top MC Rove's performance.

Btw anyone got any good Chris Christie fat jokes?

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Lmao likening that to racism (didn't watch the video btw) is over the top man. She was roasting everyone, comedians cut deep and even then, that's hardly cutting deep. Everyone needs to loosen their grip on their pearls. Imagine if she had really gone in on her in a genuinely sexist way, there wouldn't be enough smelling salts in the world for everyone to come to terms with the situation. The whole event reeks of cheap glamour and media masturbation anyway, plus they'll never top MC Rove's performance.

Btw anyone got any good Chris Christie fat jokes?

Here's one: Chris Christie is fat. How fat is he? Very fat.
You can use that one if you like.

[OccultHawk]

SHS was invited as a guest, sat in full public view without a microphone to defend herself, then insulted to her face for being ugly. To me it's those circumstances that make the joke so cruel, and yes, Michelle Wolf is a comedian, but is that really a carte blanche to say what you like where you like without regard to people's feelings ?

It’s a roast. That’s what roasts are.

My guess is that the other SHS joke was more hurtful. The one that said she looked like a character on tv deliberately presented as being cruel and ugly

She is cruel and ugly

I hope it hurt so bad she kills herself.

[OccultHawk]

As far as Kramer goes honestly I’m a lot more offended by the endless parade of black people who seriously can’t shut up. **** those people talking over his show.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

My complaint is this: SHS was invited as a guest, sat in full public view without a microphone to defend herself, then insulted to her face for being ugly. To me it's those circumstances that make the joke so cruel, and yes, Michelle Wolf is a comedian, but is that really a carte blanche to say what you like where you like without regard to people's feelings ?

The roasting is one of the most well-known parts of this event. Stephen Colbert famously eviscerated George W. Bush to his face at one of these and Larry Wilmore dropped the N-word while trashing Obama to his face at another. It's sort of a symbolic celebration of free speech in the face of power. It's too bad for Sanders that her boss is such a baby that he wasn't there for the roasting but she chose to take a job which involves her being his proxy. No one is forcing her to stay in that job and it's not like she'd be the first to resign from the position.

[Blank.]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Secondly, men find it pretty easy to shrug off jokes about their appearance, because they are typically judged by other standards. Also, they don't typically spend time choosing earings, putting on make up to try and look their nicest. Being judged on appearances and not merit is a much more sensitive issue for women.

Yeah, men can be made fun of but leave the poor women alone. They totally don't make fun of each other all the time for their looks. Women every where are perfect and they totally don't judge men based off the way they look. That's totally not the reason why The Rock is shirtless in every movie he's in. No judgement at all.

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

The roasting is one of the most well-known parts of this event. Stephen Colbert famously eviscerated George W. Bush to his face at one of these and Larry Wilmore dropped the N-word while trashing Obama to his face at another. It's sort of a symbolic celebration of free speech in the face of power. It's too bad for Sanders that her boss is such a baby that he wasn't there for the roasting but she chose to take a job which involves her being his proxy. No one is forcing her to stay in that job and it's not like she'd be the first to resign from the position.

^ Thanks for explaining the traditions of the Correspondent's Dinner, which I didn't know about. With that context, if SHS was knowingly going to a "roasting" I guess I should dial back my outrage. Wolf's speech was clearly just a part of the modern American way of public life.

Originally Posted by Frownland

Lmao likening that to racism (didn't watch the video btw) is over the top man. She was roasting everyone, comedians cut deep and even then, that's hardly cutting deep. Everyone needs to loosen their grip on their pearls. Imagine if she had really gone in on her in a genuinely sexist way, there wouldn't be enough smelling salts in the world for everyone to come to terms with the situation. The whole event reeks of cheap glamour and media masturbation anyway, plus they'll never top MC Rove's performance.

^ Yep, I admit it's a big leap from a couple of personal remarks to a racist rant, but Kramer's was the first example I thought of to illustrate that being a comedian isn't quite the blanket excuse that Wolf's being accorded.

Originally Posted by Blank.

Yeah, men can be made fun of but leave the poor women alone. They totally don't make fun of each other all the time for their looks. Women every where are perfect and they totally don't judge men based off the way they look. That's totally not the reason why The Rock is shirtless in every movie he's in. No judgement at all.

^ Well, Blank, I'd say that in some professions looks are of paramount importance, so taking examples from the modelling or movie industries isn't representative of the experience of most of us; from politicians like SHS down to regular non-famous types. But I guess you have a point. Some women have promoted the notion that they should judge and be judged on merit, but there are plenty of others, as you say, who make fun of each others' looks. To quote Donald Trump, "Sad!"

[OccultHawk]

^ Thanks for explaining the traditions of the Correspondent's Dinner,

Dafuq? That’s like 90% of the story. Try reading the story before going into conniptions next time.