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11-14-2013, 08:39 PM | #1051 (permalink) | |
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And a huge failure to process the word "THAT" black community in my statement, which was there to differentiate between THE ENTIRE black community, and the one we are speaking about in reference to the voters that put a fake black man into office. We can avoid this sort of thing by reading thoroughly. Please do so.
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11-14-2013, 08:39 PM | #1052 (permalink) | ||
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I'm not defending ignorant voters either. so we both agree there. What are you trying to get me to pin down and supposedly admit to that you feel like I haven't answered already when I have numerous times already?
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11-14-2013, 08:43 PM | #1053 (permalink) | ||
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It is, after all, the reason I keep asking it. And I'm asking you because you're black and I'm interested in your perspective about it. So if you wouldn't mind...
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11-14-2013, 08:49 PM | #1054 (permalink) | |||
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I answered that question that you quoted numerous times. You want to see where? Quote:
Honestly all you have to do is think about it. Two people are running and one wins. Why did he win?
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11-14-2013, 09:07 PM | #1055 (permalink) | |
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If your only statement is that whoever has better ideas win, I'm really not sure why you first replied with: "Not necessarily, the whole all it takes to win an election in a black majority is to be black or not white. In this case specifically, the guy that he was running against was black. So it was "two" black people running for the same position not just a "oh he's black let's vote for him" If you don't see how you're making the statement that color matters, to the degree that both candidates are not black, then I don't know what to tell you... You do realize that when you say what you have said, you're laying the groundwork for a voter base only making policy votes when the two candidates are black, don't you? You do realize that's a statement in itself, don't you? Which is why I keep asking you why you think the skin color matters. I know why it matters. I'm trying to get you to arrive at that same conclusion, which you seem unwilling to do, as though the reality of it just completely escapes you. I'm having a hard time understanding why you're seemingly incapable of understanding this. On the other hand, I'm struggling with the possibility that you're simply unwilling to face the question that's actually being asked here. If that voter base had not been misled by the photos of black people, would they still have voted for the white candidate based on his marketed policies? It's a simple yes or no. And you are simply avoiding answering it.
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11-14-2013, 09:14 PM | #1056 (permalink) | ||
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You seem to have this thought cemented in your head that black voters only vote for people that are black especially in that community. I disagree with that. That's the short end of it. Also that thought about black voters only vote for people that are black make no sense if you boil it down to a situation where there are two black people to vote for which is the same as having a situation where there are two white people to vote for. How will those black people choose to vote for? What is the determining factor that they will use to pick which white person to vote for? Skin color doesn't matter as much as you think it does in this specific case.
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11-14-2013, 09:51 PM | #1057 (permalink) | ||
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The choice between skin color is OBVIOUSLY not present where there is no difference in skin color. The choice between skin color in this situation is a hypothetical one. However, the fact that it's so controversially "tricky" that this guy got black folks to vote for him based on an allusion that he was black, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. I'm talking about the controversy here, not the actual marketed political issues. The fact that people think it's a game-changer to represent yourself in a different skin, regardless of the issues, is what I'm looking at, and that reflects the general perception that skin color matters more than the marketed position of a candidate. Regarding the hypothetical situation where, in that town, there would be two white candidates, I can pretty much guarantee that whichever was a Democrat would be the in vote. And don't even DREAM of refuting that one. In that regard, though, we're both missing the ultimate point here. People vote for their own interests. I'll go out on a limb and make a broad assumption that black folks will probably vote for black candidates because they're the most likely to understand their situation and be sympathetic to it. People vote on their own self interests. Same on the other side of the fence. We can both acknowledge this. My only gripe is that, as this case shows, they're not even doing that much for themselves. That community would obviously be far better represented if they would have taken the time to learn about the candidate, versus checking the "black" box and just voting on which commercials made them feel better. That's my own opinion, though. Doesn't have anything to do with yours, and I don't claim it to.
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11-15-2013, 02:01 AM | #1059 (permalink) | |
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11-15-2013, 03:25 AM | #1060 (permalink) | |
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yeah I understand that. It is the main reason that poor people in the south end up voting Republican when that whole party hates poor people and has started a war against them.
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