Israel's Birthday (techno, country, single, Russian, effect)

adidasss · 05-11-2008, 06:01 PM

What's your connection with Israel btw? Aside from disliking its government (you haven't actually said what you dislike about it), what are your thoughts about it? Would you ever move there, serve in the military etc? Share...

ProggyMan · 05-11-2008, 06:05 PM

I have no foreskin. I don't like the government because it tends to be fairly conservative and heavy-handed. It's pretty dangerous there, but it's also a great vacation place, so I'm not sure if I would move. My hebrew school teacher served in the army, she says it's great. It's nothing like the US Army, thank god.

adidasss · 05-11-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I have no foreskin.

I realize that, I just don't understand what the attraction is to move there. Especially if you're already living in a wealthy country.

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I don't the government because it tends to be fairly conservaative and heavy-handed. It's pretty dangerous there, but it's also a great vacation place, so I'm not sure if I would move. My hebrew school teacher served in the army, she says it's great. It's nothing like the US Army, thank god.

I'm not sure what could be great about serving...it's mandatory and it lasts for 2-3 years. And you know that place is a constant war zone.

I saw a great Israeli film about the military recently called Beufort, you should see it, it was nominated for an Oscar...

ProggyMan · 05-11-2008, 06:16 PM

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I realize that, I just don't understand what the attraction is to move there. Especially if you're already living in a wealthy country. I'm not sure what could be great about serving...it's mandatory and it lasts for 2-3 years. And you know that place is a constant war zone.

There's a very low casualty rate (Lower than the American army, or close to), and it provides real benefits and connections. You get to stay close to family and friends, lots of leave time etc. I wouldn't personally move there, but a lot of people don't live in a wealthy nation, like you said. I guess a lot of people just want to be around other Jews.

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I saw a great Israeli film about the military recently called Beufort, you should see it, it was nominated for an Oscar...

I'll check it out.

Barnard17 · 05-12-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Israel and the UN has made every effort to give the Palestinians a place to stay

Except for letting them live in their homes. sic: not homeLAND but actual HOMES. Those places you worked to buy and grew up in, as opposed to those places your great great great great great great Grandfather possibly lived in.

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but the constant terrorist activity has made that almost impossible.

You do know how the British Empire was bullied into forming the Israeli state right?

adidasss · 05-12-2008, 04:32 PM

Enlighten us please...

Barnard17 · 05-12-2008, 04:42 PM

Zionist political violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Not a fan of wiki links as "proof" but it pretty well sums up the back of what Israel was created upon and has all relevant references at the bottom.

ProggyMan · 05-12-2008, 09:12 PM

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Except for letting them live in their homes. sic: not homeLAND but actual HOMES. Those places you worked to buy and grew up in, as opposed to those places your great great great great great great Grandfather possibly lived in.

Uh, those homes have been destroyed by what? Oh yah, Arab attacks and terrorist operations.

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You do know how the British Empire was bullied into forming the Israeli state right?

I'd hardly call that bullying. Sounds like it wasn't very effective.

Barnard17 · 05-12-2008, 10:41 PM

Eurgh, actually soddit. I've been through too many online debates with pre-pubescent Americans who buy into the bull**** Murdoch media campaigns and are left thinking the sun shines out of Israels arse.

Come back when you've done some real research into the subject; primarily by looking at a wider selection or sources that have a bias other than Murdoch's zionist brainwashing. Fuck it, start with a google search and you'll learn a hell of a lot.

If you're so far gone that you genuinely think the primary sources of destruction in the area come from Arab nations and terrorist organisations, nothing I say or link to as evidence will likely alter your bigoted opinion. Protip: the primary cause of damage is Israel.

I have a mission for your self-enlightenment.
1. Consider how much people moan and gripe about immigrants stealing jobs. Then consider what would happen if EVERYONE IN AMERICA was told they have to up sticks and move to either New Mexico or Iowa, because the Bosnians have had a real shit time of it what with racial prosecution, and need somewhere safe to life.
2. Google search on "Israeli Gaza Incursion" and at least look at a few of the time stamps on the articles, even if you don't bother reading them.
3. Google image search on "Israeli security fence". Keep the results in consideration when comparing these images:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo..._hist_1973.jpg

Notably bottom left (land which Israel was legally allowed) and bottom right (land which Israel itself and zionist militia's wrested from the Palestinian occupants).

ProggyMan · 05-12-2008, 10:47 PM

Really? Millions of Jews were displaced in the Holocaust and they can't have a place to live because the Palestinians couldn't move to a less populated area? There would be no refugee problem if the Arab nations agreed to solve the dispute peacefully and accepted the splitting of Palestine.
Edit: Palestinians occupy a significant portion of the 'occupied territories'. You know why Israel has a security fence? Here's a story for you:
A pregnant women was rushed through it into a hospital in Israel, only to set off her 'baby'. 55 Jews were killed.

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05-11-2008, 06:01 PM	#41 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	What's your connection with Israel btw? Aside from disliking its government (you haven't actually said what you dislike about it), what are your thoughts about it? Would you ever move there, serve in the military etc? Share... __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

05-11-2008, 06:05 PM	#42 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	I have no foreskin. I don't like the government because it tends to be fairly conservative and heavy-handed. It's pretty dangerous there, but it's also a great vacation place, so I'm not sure if I would move. My hebrew school teacher served in the army, she says it's great. It's nothing like the US Army, thank god. Last edited by ProggyMan; 05-12-2008 at 09:13 PM.

05-12-2008, 04:32 PM	#46 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Enlighten us please... __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

05-12-2008, 04:42 PM	#47 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	Zionist political violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Not a fan of wiki links as "proof" but it pretty well sums up the back of what Israel was created upon and has all relevant references at the bottom.

05-12-2008, 10:41 PM	#49 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	Eurgh, actually soddit. I've been through too many online debates with pre-pubescent Americans who buy into the bull**** Murdoch media campaigns and are left thinking the sun shines out of Israels arse. Come back when you've done some real research into the subject; primarily by looking at a wider selection or sources that have a bias other than Murdoch's zionist brainwashing. Fuck it, start with a google search and you'll learn a hell of a lot. If you're so far gone that you genuinely think the primary sources of destruction in the area come from Arab nations and terrorist organisations, nothing I say or link to as evidence will likely alter your bigoted opinion. Protip: the primary cause of damage is Israel. I have a mission for your self-enlightenment. 1. Consider how much people moan and gripe about immigrants stealing jobs. Then consider what would happen if EVERYONE IN AMERICA was told they have to up sticks and move to either New Mexico or Iowa, because the Bosnians have had a real shit time of it what with racial prosecution, and need somewhere safe to life. 2. Google search on "Israeli Gaza Incursion" and at least look at a few of the time stamps on the articles, even if you don't bother reading them. 3. Google image search on "Israeli security fence". Keep the results in consideration when comparing these images: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histo..._hist_1973.jpg Notably bottom left (land which Israel was legally allowed) and bottom right (land which Israel itself and zionist militia's wrested from the Palestinian occupants).

05-12-2008, 10:47 PM	#50 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Really? Millions of Jews were displaced in the Holocaust and they can't have a place to live because the Palestinians couldn't move to a less populated area? There would be no refugee problem if the Arab nations agreed to solve the dispute peacefully and accepted the splitting of Palestine. Edit: Palestinians occupy a significant portion of the 'occupied territories'. You know why Israel has a security fence? Here's a story for you: A pregnant women was rushed through it into a hospital in Israel, only to set off her 'baby'. 55 Jews were killed.