Israel's Birthday

ProggyMan · 01-28-2009, 11:45 PM

National Hug a Jew Day is coming up.

**Janszoon** · 01-29-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

i am pretty sure you are wrong about cell phones being invented by an israeli

No one person totally invented the cell phone but as far as I can tell the guy who is considered the father of the mobile phone is from Chicago.

asshat · 07-04-2009, 10:16 AM

It's a double-edged sword. I think the palestinians got the shaft and I can understand the animosity towards israel. At the same time I can understand that israel needs to defend itself. Being a north american I could understand why the natives would be pissed off at me, but I'd have to defend myself out of the same practical necessity . The israelis today inherited the whole f'd up situation from their forefathers, which is a shame.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 07-05-2009, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

No, Palestinians lost land because of being forced from their homes by Arab attacks, then being refused entrance to Jordan, despite the entire point of Jordan being to house the Palestinians.

Jordan is a safe place to live, and a hell of a lot of Palestinians live there for that reason. As far as this ridicious debate goes - no. It's like saying should Germany exist because their late leader Hitler created a world war and encouraged the killing of over 6 million Jews.

Barnard17 · 07-05-2009, 05:58 AM

I'm always amazed at the circular discussion Zionists use to convince themselves that the Palestine situation leaves Israel minimally culpable. "Jordan was created to take the Palestinians, it's not Israel's fault the people who live in Jordan didn't agree to this! Or have space! Or have infrastructure! I mean, sure we kicked the Palestinians out of their homes overnight but there are OTHER COUNTRIES for them to go to with more of their type that they can be friends with!"

Seriously. Pause for a second, reflect on this. Fancy for a second that somebody got a map of the US, put a big line on it one day and said "The Native Americans can have all the East Coast states. They're a prosecuted people who need the support they can get to live a fair life. Any displaced WASPs can go live in Oklahoma. Play nice kids!"

The British Empire had no more right (except through military conquest, snerk) to make such declarations in the first place regarding the Israel/Palestine situation. Israeli's illegally secured more land through terrorism and armed aggression against civilians. This continues to this day and efforts to counter illegal objects [such as the settlements that snake their way through Palestinian territory and the "security fence" (concrete wall) which also eats it's way into UN determined Palestinian territory] are minimal at best.

If you want to even try and claim that Jordan and Palestine aren't sticking to the rules, and Jordan should act as a refugee camp for 15million Palestinians (America wouldn't take that many refugees just overnight - where would the infrastructure come from let alone any other issues? And Jordan is a TINY country with none of the capital to cope) you really have to accept that Israel as an entity has never even bothered playing ball.

Neapolitan · 07-06-2009, 10:51 PM

Regardless of how Isreal was formed, now that is does exist, it should be respected, and the Jewish religion should be respected. The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about are the mohammedians. They don't want anyone of another faith to live there. Isreal is a tiny dot on the map of what is controlled by a non-Judeo-Christian relegion. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad repeatedly calls for Isreal to wiped off the map. In a sense Isreal is a canary in the coal mine. If something serious happens to Isreal, it could very well happen to the United States or another country.

Barnard17 · 07-07-2009, 12:00 AM

Yes because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has BOTH the power to do said map wiping, and also the full support and respect of his nation.

Respect isn't dished out like some mandatory obligation. It's earned by merit of actions and attitudes. The Jewish religion (as vague and all encompassing such as that term is) should be respected. Israel, however, has done very little to show that it's a respectable institution.

I'm perfectly willing to agree that there are groups of Palestinians whose actions have been atrocious. It's also absolutely undeniable that neighbouring states resent Israel and have an aggressive foreign policy towards them (hardly surprising). However I don't really see that much can be put towards a discussion by someone so ridiculously ignorant as to refer to Muslims as "mohammedians" and to talk about them as if they're a collective hive mind with a single intent.

The Koran teaches that all Sons of David (Muslisms, Jews and Christians) will gain access to heaven. Hardly the message of haters. Considering the fact that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are collectively referred to as the Abrahamic Religions because they all have the same root source and also remembering gems such as the Crusades, the Holocaust (committed in the name of Christianity) and the fun little stories in the Old Testament about starting wars and raping your enemies women ... also remember that by the nature of mainstream media you only ever hear the noisy, angry minority rather than the reasonable, level-headed majority on ANYTHING let alone Islam. Leave your front door once in a while and you may learn something of the outside world.

Neapolitan · 07-07-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fal

Yes because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has BOTH the power to do said map wiping, and also the full support and respect of his nation.

Might does not make right. Even if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had all the power in the world, it is a moral injustice, a crime againt morality to threaten Isreal - the people, the nation. Every country, every people have the right to live in peace, have its own culture and religion, this goes for Isreal - regardless how it was formed.

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Originally Posted by Fal

However I don't really see that much can be put towards a discussion by someone so ridiculously ignorant as to refer to Muslims as "mohammedians" and to talk about them as if they're a collective hive mind with a single intent.

All I have to say to that is the skunk smells his hole first. The Dovells were dead wrong when they sang "The kids in Bristol are sharp as a pistol" whoof they really miss the target on that one.

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Originally Posted by Fal

The Koran teaches that all Sons of David (Muslisms, Jews and Christians) will gain access to heaven. Hardly the message of haters. Considering the fact that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are collectively referred to as the Abrahamic Religions because they all have the same root source

wrong wrong wrong. that is extremely nonsensical relativistic new-ageism.
I don't like name calling but only a philosophical mooncalf would try to lump them together.

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Originally Posted by Fal

the Holocaust (committed in the name of Christianity)

That sounds sardonic. Truth be told the most of the memebers Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei were Neo-Pagans, it had nothing to do with Christianity. Italy, mostly Christian at the time, save 90% of the Jewish people living there at the time, compared to the 90% that was lost throughout Europe.

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Originally Posted by Fal

also remember that by the nature of mainstream media you only ever hear the noisy, angry minority rather than the reasonable, level-headed majority on ANYTHING let alone Islam. Leave your front door once in a while and you may learn something of the outside world.

No I think the media rather favours the muslims and only reports favourably in their favor, while totally ignoring the plight of the Christian in the Middle East.

in short:
If you respect the Jewish people and understood that they have a right to live in peace you would not be so disgruntled. Lighten up, live and let live.

Neapolitan · 07-07-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Fal

Yes because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has BOTH the power to do said map wiping, and also the full support and respect of his nation.

Might does not make right. Even if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had all the power in the world, it is a moral injustice, a crime againt morality to threaten Isreal - the people, the nation. Every country, every people have the right to live in peace, have its own culture and religion, this goes for Isreal - regardless how it was formed.

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Originally Posted by Fal

However I don't really see that much can be put towards a discussion by someone so ridiculously ignorant as to refer to Muslims as "mohammedians" and to talk about them as if they're a collective hive mind with a single intent.

All I have to say to that is the skunk smells his hole first. The Dovells were dead wrong when they sang "The kids in Bristol are sharp as a pistol" whoof they really miss the target on that one.

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Originally Posted by Fal

The Koran teaches that all Sons of David (Muslisms, Jews and Christians) will gain access to heaven. Hardly the message of haters. Considering the fact that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are collectively referred to as the Abrahamic Religions because they all have the same root source

wrong wrong wrong. that is extremely nonsensical relativistic new-ageism.
I don't like name calling but only a philosophical mooncalf would try to lump them together.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fal

the Holocaust (committed in the name of Christianity)

That sounds sardonic. Truth be told the most of the memebers Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei were Neo-Pagans, it had nothing to do with Christianity. Italy, mostly Christian at the time, save 90% of the Jewish people living there at the time, compared to the 90% that was lost throughout Europe.

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Originally Posted by Fal

also remember that by the nature of mainstream media you only ever hear the noisy, angry minority rather than the reasonable, level-headed majority on ANYTHING let alone Islam. Leave your front door once in a while and you may learn something of the outside world.

No I think the media rather favours the muslims and only reports favourably in their favor, while totally ignoring the plight of the Christian in the Middle East.

in short:
If you respect the Jewish people and understood that they have a right to live in peace you would not be so disgruntled. Lighten up, live and let live.

Barnard17 · 07-07-2009, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

If you respect the Jewish people and understood that they have a right to live in peace you would not be so disgruntled. Lighten up, live and let live.

I do respect the Jewish people. I do believe that everyone has a right to live in peace. It is for this reason I condemn the actions of Israel pretty much every time it does something new; not because it is Israel but because it always does bad things.

Now I understand that you're a cretin. It's ok you can't help that, it's just funny every time you talk. I'm not going to get into a debate with you because reading your responses and replying to them would hurt my intelligence more than it would help yours. I will say that if you have the mindfulness to want to learn on the subject there's a wealth of good resources on the internet if you're willing to overlook the ones funded by zionist interests. A good place to start would be a google search on "Sabra and Shatila" and work from there. If you don't want to put the groundwork in and learn for yourself I have no interest in attempting to lecture some common sense into you here.

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mooncalf

Really? I mean, really? How old are you, 90? Shall I get your blanket and a night cap? You can try a lot better than that.

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07-04-2009, 10:16 AM	#63 (permalink)
asshat king of sex Join Date: May 2009 Location: canada Posts: 331	It's a double-edged sword. I think the palestinians got the shaft and I can understand the animosity towards israel. At the same time I can understand that israel needs to defend itself. Being a north american I could understand why the natives would be pissed off at me, but I'd have to defend myself out of the same practical necessity . The israelis today inherited the whole f'd up situation from their forefathers, which is a shame. __________________ Rye Catcher II: Electric Boogaloo http://oldhickory666.blogspot.com/

07-05-2009, 05:58 AM	#65 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	I'm always amazed at the circular discussion Zionists use to convince themselves that the Palestine situation leaves Israel minimally culpable. "Jordan was created to take the Palestinians, it's not Israel's fault the people who live in Jordan didn't agree to this! Or have space! Or have infrastructure! I mean, sure we kicked the Palestinians out of their homes overnight but there are OTHER COUNTRIES for them to go to with more of their type that they can be friends with!" Seriously. Pause for a second, reflect on this. Fancy for a second that somebody got a map of the US, put a big line on it one day and said "The Native Americans can have all the East Coast states. They're a prosecuted people who need the support they can get to live a fair life. Any displaced WASPs can go live in Oklahoma. Play nice kids!" The British Empire had no more right (except through military conquest, snerk) to make such declarations in the first place regarding the Israel/Palestine situation. Israeli's illegally secured more land through terrorism and armed aggression against civilians. This continues to this day and efforts to counter illegal objects [such as the settlements that snake their way through Palestinian territory and the "security fence" (concrete wall) which also eats it's way into UN determined Palestinian territory] are minimal at best. If you want to even try and claim that Jordan and Palestine aren't sticking to the rules, and Jordan should act as a refugee camp for 15million Palestinians (America wouldn't take that many refugees just overnight - where would the infrastructure come from let alone any other issues? And Jordan is a TINY country with none of the capital to cope) you really have to accept that Israel as an entity has never even bothered playing ball. __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

07-07-2009, 12:00 AM	#67 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	Yes because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has BOTH the power to do said map wiping, and also the full support and respect of his nation. Respect isn't dished out like some mandatory obligation. It's earned by merit of actions and attitudes. The Jewish religion (as vague and all encompassing such as that term is) should be respected. Israel, however, has done very little to show that it's a respectable institution. I'm perfectly willing to agree that there are groups of Palestinians whose actions have been atrocious. It's also absolutely undeniable that neighbouring states resent Israel and have an aggressive foreign policy towards them (hardly surprising). However I don't really see that much can be put towards a discussion by someone so ridiculously ignorant as to refer to Muslims as "mohammedians" and to talk about them as if they're a collective hive mind with a single intent. The Koran teaches that all Sons of David (Muslisms, Jews and Christians) will gain access to heaven. Hardly the message of haters. Considering the fact that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are collectively referred to as the Abrahamic Religions because they all have the same root source and also remembering gems such as the Crusades, the Holocaust (committed in the name of Christianity) and the fun little stories in the Old Testament about starting wars and raping your enemies women ... also remember that by the nature of mainstream media you only ever hear the noisy, angry minority rather than the reasonable, level-headed majority on ANYTHING let alone Islam. Leave your front door once in a while and you may learn something of the outside world. __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

01-28-2009, 11:45 PM	#61 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	National Hug a Jew Day is coming up.

07-06-2009, 10:51 PM	#66 (permalink)
Neapolitan carpe musicam Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Les Barricades Mystérieuses Posts: 7,710	Regardless of how Isreal was formed, now that is does exist, it should be respected, and the Jewish religion should be respected. The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about are the mohammedians. They don't want anyone of another faith to live there. Isreal is a tiny dot on the map of what is controlled by a non-Judeo-Christian relegion. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad repeatedly calls for Isreal to wiped off the map. In a sense Isreal is a canary in the coal mine. If something serious happens to Isreal, it could very well happen to the United States or another country.