I am an uneducated American who supports the war for no good reason (country, members)

Zombeels · 04-20-2008, 04:59 PM

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An editorial with no citations.

Did you see who it was written by. The top CIA analyst during the Iran-Iraq war.
My third link was supposed to be this one.

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immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.

The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent - that is, a cyanide-based gas - which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.

These facts have long been in the public domain but, extraordinarily, as often as the Halabja affair is cited, they are rarely mentioned.

There is more information out there.
WPONAC: Iran's Chemical Weapon Program

Now I'm not saying who is responsible. I'm just saying you had the guy that you say was responsible but charges were dropped and he was conveniently killed before it was brought to trial.

boo boo · 04-20-2008, 07:30 PM

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There is some speculation as to whether or not Bin Laden is responsible for the 911 attacks. Even the FBI hasn't officially charged him.

Yeah, I guess outright f*cking admitting to doing it is not enough for some people.

I mean you could say that since radical Islamists celebrated 9/11 Bin Ladin just wanted to take credit for it, but thats just too damn stupid to believe. Thats practically begging someone to come after you even though you didn't do anything.

You're not one of those 9/11 Truth dopes are you?

Predator · 04-20-2008, 08:59 PM

Its off topic, yet still relevant.
A pretty long and interesting read. Maybe something that should be considered before choosing what sources to listen to when forming an opinion.
World Tribune.com -- Media's coverage has distorted world's view of Iraqi reality

tkpb938 · 04-20-2008, 10:05 PM

Great article, and very true. Deaths related to the war pale in comparison to things like obesity and heart disease in the US yet somehow the war gets more negative attention... So frustrating.

sleepy jack · 04-20-2008, 10:09 PM

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Great article, and very true. Deaths related to the war pale in comparison to things like obesity and heart disease in the US yet somehow the war gets more negative attention... So frustrating.

hahahahahahah gee I wonder why

boo boo · 04-20-2008, 10:19 PM

The way you guys downplay the war is just hillarious.

So yeah, thousands of people are dead because we f*cked up, but hey its not so bad, at least more people die from heart disease.

Yeah I'm sorry but I have no idea what the freaking point is you're trying to make, we started a war and based the reason for it on 2 things, one is proven to be a lie (Iraqs ties with Al Qaeda and 9/11) and the other is yet to be proven (WMDs), thats hardly justification for the deaths of what is now in excess of 1.2 million Iraqis and over 4000 Americans, as well as many more wounded. Trying to downplay that is pretty offensive to me.

The media has filled people with a lot of lies, but a lot of that is from the rights perspective, not the left. FoxNews are clearly biased toward the right and MSNBC is moving increasingly closer to the right as well. And even though CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS are all said to be biased towards the left, they do their fair share of GOP approved scaremongering as well.

boo boo · 04-20-2008, 10:51 PM

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What a joke. The media has a right wing bias? Are you kidding? For every postive Iraq War-related story, there are a thousand more trying to convince you it has been nothing but a failure. Most news organizations won't even report good news.

Oh boy.

For one, thats not the media talking, thats the majority of the American public, the people who actually support the war are a minority, some outlets actually let that be known well whoopdy f*cking do, some left wing bias for telling the truth eh?

But you certainly wouldn't know that its a minority if you watch FoxNews, who have spread more lies about the war than anyone else, its also very ironic that the news network that is most supportive of the war is also the news network that covers it the least.

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I've yet to hear Keith Olbermann concede that the surge worked.

Because it hasn't.

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Instead he says ridiculous things like: "Well, there has been a decline in violence, but the surge is a total failure because the Iraqi government is still shockingly inept and political progress is not being made"

Theres still a sh*tload of violence there, I'd hardly call that a success because it decreased some. Its still one hell of a quagmire that we created, something Cheney knew would happen long before we even started the war.

Its normal for violence to decrease in a war that has gone on for so long anyway. Having less troops = less troops dead. Not hard to do the math.

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The surge was instituted to quell violence. It did, it still is. It is/was successful.

.......ClashWho?

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The war gets negative publicity because it's trendy to hate George Bush, and its trendy to be a pacifist. Basically it's trendy to be an idealistic, unrealistic moron.

Wow, you're a real Rush Limbaugh.

EDIT: So who deleted it? Ethan?

sleepy jack · 04-20-2008, 10:54 PM

It's bill, but I'll leave your owning for the world to see. The funniest thing about it is two weeks ago he was running around saying the opposite. So yeah speaking of trend-hopping...

Predator · 04-20-2008, 10:58 PM

I have never tried to downplay any of it. A war is a terrible thing. Every life lost causes tears. I support this war for the reasons I have already stated. Every Soldier, Sailor, Marine and Airman over there is my brother or sister. I have had the honor of standing next to them through good and bad. I have cried for American service members I have never met and, sadly, never will. When I talk to them, the vast majority know they are doing the right thing, yet their lives are used as a statistic against the cause they believe in.

The point I want to make with my last post is that the stories we get to see on the news do not always show the entire truth. Its easy to believe that all soldiers are doing bad things when the media won't show the good. Of course the good outweighs the bad but we never get to see it. Then again this off topic, so whatever.

boo boo · 04-20-2008, 11:10 PM

I don't think we're being disrespectul to the troops by opposing the war, they did die for this country and deserve our respect, but I believe they were mislead and that they died because of lies. We shouldn't let more people die for a war with no just cause.

04-20-2008, 08:59 PM	#83 (permalink)
Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	Its off topic, yet still relevant. A pretty long and interesting read. Maybe something that should be considered before choosing what sources to listen to when forming an opinion. World Tribune.com -- Media's coverage has distorted world's view of Iraqi reality __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-20-2008, 10:58 PM	#89 (permalink)
Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	I have never tried to downplay any of it. A war is a terrible thing. Every life lost causes tears. I support this war for the reasons I have already stated. Every Soldier, Sailor, Marine and Airman over there is my brother or sister. I have had the honor of standing next to them through good and bad. I have cried for American service members I have never met and, sadly, never will. When I talk to them, the vast majority know they are doing the right thing, yet their lives are used as a statistic against the cause they believe in. The point I want to make with my last post is that the stories we get to see on the news do not always show the entire truth. Its easy to believe that all soldiers are doing bad things when the media won't show the good. Of course the good outweighs the bad but we never get to see it. Then again this off topic, so whatever. __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-20-2008, 10:05 PM	#84 (permalink)
tkpb938 Lvl 70 Troll Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sunny Phoenix Posts: 482	Great article, and very true. Deaths related to the war pale in comparison to things like obesity and heart disease in the US yet somehow the war gets more negative attention... So frustrating.