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sleepy jack 04-13-2008 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tkpb938 (Post 469549)
No but 9-11 was the instigator. Its not like we're at war with the Iraqi's we're at war with the violent sects within iraq and afghanistan that caused 9-11.
Al-Qaeda was supposedly responsible for 9/11 and Al-Qaeda isn't a nation. Nice try.

tkpb938 04-13-2008 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469555)
Al-Qaeda was supposedly responsible for 9/11 and Al-Qaeda isn't a nation. Nice try.
No, but they were supposedly located within iraq/afghanistan... Whether they actually were or not is another story.

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tkpb938 (Post 469559)
No, but they were supposedly located within iraq/afghanistan... Whether they actually were or not is another story.
Supposedly being the key word, some were Saudis you know.

Predator 04-13-2008 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by matious (Post 469532)
Would you support a draft if there came to be one?
Its way off the topic that I started, but no I would not support a draft. I believe in a voluntary fighting force.

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469538)
No offense but you being thanked by a few Iraqis HERE is a bit different then the ones THERE.
No, I only spoke to Iraqi's here for defense training as well as some that were moved here for protection. I do however have many friends that are still in the military who tell me that the majority of Iraqi's support our actions there.

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In comparison to those thousand how many of them have we've killed? Revolution is a good thing and I repeat if we cared so much about stopping this sort of thing and those were our motivations for going in there why did we choose Iraq?
We have killed mainly insurgents. Of course there have been civilians killed as well, but most have been a result of the terrorist activity that don't consider how to minimalize collateral damage.


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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469555)
Al-Qaeda was supposedly responsible for 9/11 and Al-Qaeda isn't a nation. Nice try.
No, Al Qaeda is not a country, they are simply a loosely related organization that trains terrorists. Al-Qaeda took responsibility for the attacks on 9-11, but it was not direct action.

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469563)
Supposedly being the key word, some were Saudis you know.
They actually were located in Iraq.

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 469568)
No, I only spoke to Iraqi's here for defense training as well as some that were moved here for protection. I do however have many friends that are still in the military who tell me that the majority of Iraqi's support our actions there.
Think Progress

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We have killed mainly insurgents. Of course there have been civilians killed as well, but most have been a result of the terrorist activity that don't consider how to minimalize collateral damage.
Yeah the Iraqi Death Count is like between 80,000 and 90,000. Quite a large number.

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No, Al Qaeda is not a country, they are simply a loosely related organization that trains terrorists. Al-Qaeda took responsibility for the attacks on 9-11, but it was not direct action.
Uh okay? That's what I said, it was tkpb938 who implied otherwise.

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They actually were located in Iraq.
Wrong.

tkpb938 04-13-2008 11:12 PM
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Uh okay? That's what I said, it was tkpb938 who implied otherwise.
When did i say that? I said they were located in Iraq/Afghanistan...

Zombeels 04-13-2008 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 469568)
No, I only spoke to Iraqi's here for defense training as well as some that were moved here for protection. I do however have many friends that are still in the military who tell me that the majority of Iraqi's support our actions there.
Wrong. They are flat out lying. Every single poll conducted in Iraq has the majority of Iraqis not supporting the invasion and they want the US out.
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We have killed mainly insurgents. Of course there have been civilians killed as well, but most have been a result of the terrorist activity that don't consider how to minimalize collateral damage.
Wrong again. Most civilians killed bu US forces were from aerial bombardment. Also the US has targeted civilians.
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No, Al Qaeda is not a country, they are simply a loosely related organization that trains terrorists. Al-Qaeda took responsibility for the attacks on 9-11, but it was not direct action.
There is some speculation as to whether or not Bin Laden is responsible for the 911 attacks. Even the FBI hasn't officially charged him.

Predator 04-13-2008 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469572)
Are you actually citing a poll that is a year and a half old on a baised web site? Do you have anything newer from a more reputable source?

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469572)
Yeah the Iraqi Death Count is like between 80,000 and 90,000. Quite a large number.
It is a large number, but how many were killed direct result of U.S. action. You can say that a car bomb was caused by us for being there in the first place, but I want to know how many were lost to our troops. On top of that, I would also like to know how many were not involved in militant activities that were a direct threat to the soldiers that killed them.

You can't discount any death, but I would like to point out that it is estimated that over 80 million lives were lost in world war 2. A large percentage (more civilians than soldiers) were civilian. Take away the estimated 10 million Jews that died in the holocaust and the 17 million killed due to Japan's policies in Asia and you are still left with 53 million lives lost. Was WWII unjust? Should we have stayed out of that one to?

Zombeels 04-13-2008 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 469617)

You can't discount any death, but I would like to point out that it is estimated that over 80 million lives were lost in world war 2. A large percentage (more civilians than soldiers) were civilian. Take away the estimated 10 million Jews that died in the holocaust and the 17 million killed due to Japan's policies in Asia and you are still left with 53 million lives lost. Was WWII unjust? Should we have stayed out of that one to?
The invasion of Iraq and WW2 are not even close to the same thing. Do not compare them.

sleepy jack 04-14-2008 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 469617)
Are you actually citing a poll that is a year and a half old on a baised web site? Do you have anything newer from a more reputable source?
Opinion Polls in Iraq - UN Security Council - Global Policy Forum

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It is a large number, but how many were killed direct result of U.S. action. You can say that a car bomb was caused by us for being there in the first place, but I want to know how many were lost to our troops. On top of that, I would also like to know how many were not involved in militant activities that were a direct threat to the soldiers that killed them.
Iraq Body Count

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You can't discount any death, but I would like to point out that it is estimated that over 80 million lives were lost in world war 2. A large percentage (more civilians than soldiers) were civilian. Take away the estimated 10 million Jews that died in the holocaust and the 17 million killed due to Japan's policies in Asia and you are still left with 53 million lives lost. Was WWII unjust? Should we have stayed out of that one to?
I really couldn't have said it any better than Zombeels said it.


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