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04-14-2008, 10:57 AM | #156 (permalink) |
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I'll read the rest of the thread later, I'd just like to point out that it's not the same if someone commits murder in self-defense, by accident or if it's premeditated. So yes, it certainly does matter why someone did something.
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04-14-2008, 11:04 AM | #157 (permalink) |
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If somebody attacks somebody because of the victim's race, sexuality or nationality I don't really see how it's worse than any 'unprovoked' attack which causes the same damage. Like you said, Ethan, people tend to have motivation for their actions... actually I'd say that people always have some kind of motivation for their actions... but I'm not sure how a man who kills somebody because the victim was *** is worse than a man who kills somebody because they 'felt like it' or because the person 'looked at them in the wrong way'.
To acknowledge hate crimes as being truly special cases would mean to me acknowledging the motivations that led the person to commit the crime. If those motivations were what provoked the criminal then to what extent could it be argued that a hate crime, as an arguably 'provoked' attack, isn't as bad as a truly random act of violence? To me the whole idea that hate crimes deserve special treatment is a bit insulting to anybody who suffers the same crime without the 'hate' aspect. Premeditated crimes do require different treatment to those which were in self-defense or accidental, but I don't see how premeditating a crime because of somebody's race/orientation/nationality would be worse than premeditating it for another reason. Committing it for those reasons is bad, but equally so is committing a premeditated crime for most 'non-hate' reasons. If somebody assaulted me because they didn't like my shirt I'd think it was just as bad as if they assaulted me because I was white (unless my shirt said something very offensive).
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04-14-2008, 11:54 AM | #158 (permalink) | |
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I'm not eloquent enough to say this with my own words so here's a very reasonable explanation on why hate crimes are and should be punished more severely than "regular" crimes:
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04-14-2008, 03:11 PM | #159 (permalink) |
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Until you realize that "people who commit hate crimes" are members of society and having court based hatred for this group would be no more damaging to a free society than sending a message of hate to another group.
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04-14-2008, 03:33 PM | #160 (permalink) |
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So racist and anti-homosexual groups deserve the same treatment as a minority group or homosexual group because they're just another group even if they act on those actions? Quite a few of your citizenship rights are stripped away once you've been labeled a convict you know, you're a bit less than a "member of society" after that.
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