Hate Crimes (albums, American, cover, quote)

ProggyMan · 04-14-2008, 09:28 PM

Without love we wouldn't have hate. Problems solved.

~~The Unfan~~ · 04-15-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I think the point he's trying to get across is that hatred is simply an emotion and can't possibly do any damage on its own. And I have to agree. I mean, sure, you can say that racism/homophobia are fueled by hatred, but you can say that about anything, really. You can say that the American civil rights movement was fueled by a hatred of racial segregation. I don't think any human emotion is inherently bad.

Pretty much this.

However since an example was asked for, I personally hate that the government won't fund stem cell research. My hate isn't a bad thing and it actually motivates me to donate money to a good cause. Not to say that I wouldn't have otherwise donated some money, but it probably wouldn't have been a significant amount as opposed to almost half my student loan.

adidasss · 04-15-2008, 03:04 PM

You'll notice, I hope, that there is a difference between your kind of hate (although I'd personally call it a disagreement) and one that drives people to commit an illegal act and cause damage to others. :\

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I think the point he's trying to get across is that hatred is simply an emotion and can't possibly do any damage on its own. And I have to agree. I mean, sure, you can say that racism/homophobia are fueled by hatred, but you can say that about anything, really. You can say that the American civil rights movement was fueled by a hatred of racial segregation. I don't think any human emotion is inherently bad.

I think the point most of you are continually missing is that "hate crimes" are being punished more severely than regular acts of violence because they cause damage to an entire group of people, instead of just the victim. That's why they cause greater damage to society and that's why they merit special treatment. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand.

~~The Unfan~~ · 04-15-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I think the point most of you are continually missing is that "hate crimes" are being punished more severely than regular acts of violence because they cause damage to an entire group of people, instead of just the victim. That's why they cause greater damage to society and that's why they merit special treatment. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand.

No more damage than any other threat, but threats aren't considered hate crimes. Thats even assuming you're trying to quantify it as a threat, which I fail to see what else you could be trying to quantify it as.

adidasss · 04-15-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I don't see how it does damage to an entire group of people. I mean, say some white guy shoots a black guy in Carolina simply because he's black - how is that doing any damage to black people in Vancouver? They'll more than likely never even know the homicide took place.

A crime is a crime. One's motivations behind committing a crime are irrelevant, especially considering the fact that they can't always be accurately unearthed.

When they can be unearthed is when they are punished. Also, unless that black person is the only black person in Carolina and Carolina doesn't have any newspapers or TV stations, others most certainly will find out about such a crime, and it will send a message of intolerance between black and white people furthering the divide and mistrust.

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

No more damage than any other threat, but threats aren't considered hate crimes. Thats even assuming you're trying to quantify it as a threat, which I fail to see what else you could be trying to quantify it as.

What?

adidasss · 04-15-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I doubt it'd send even half as much a message of intolerance if we were to call it simply a homicide and not a "hate crime".

Sweep it under the carpet. Brilliant idea...

~~Farfisa~~ · 04-15-2008, 04:31 PM

Point is....people shouldn't hate each other because of sexuality, sex, or race, no if's and's or buts'.

adidasss · 04-15-2008, 04:54 PM

Sweeping problems under the carpet is not the way to solve them, they need to be addressed otherwise they keep perpetuating.

adidasss · 04-15-2008, 05:22 PM

No, the problem is intolerance...

adidasss · 04-15-2008, 05:31 PM

Do you have any data to support that claim?

View Poll Results: Hate Crimes?
Yes	14	34.15%
No	22	53.66%
I Don't Know	2	4.88%
I Don't Care	3	7.32%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	No, the problem is intolerance... __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

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04-14-2008, 09:28 PM	#181 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Without love we wouldn't have hate. Problems solved.

04-15-2008, 04:31 PM	#187 (permalink)
~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	Point is....people shouldn't hate each other because of sexuality, sex, or race, no if's and's or buts'.