Saying I hate someone isn't a crime though.


It's a lot harder to prove someone's motive than to prove what they did.

...and you don't get punished for it...

Then they don't get charged, I'd like for you to back up this claim that most people punished for a hate crime were charged on it with a lack of evidence.

I hate hate....

*universe collapses in on itself*

The real question is if it was premeditated or not. Did the person know in advance they had an intent to kill the person or was it spur of the moment without them being in their usual frame of mind? Not that either makes the killing better, but its pretty much what defines a first degree and a second degree murder.

Nvm misread your post.


I'm not claiming that though. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to try and enforce something like hate crimes.

Yes you were.

I'm assuming by committed you mean convicted because committed wouldn't make any sense.

Most of the time its obvious... For instance, someone trying to make a statement ie KKK. However if its not entirely obvious then I agree, they should not be charged for it.

Well, I don't really follow politics or anything and I don't know much of law (though it is interesting), but I'll throw in my 'uneducated' opinion here.

I don't think that a racially motivated murder should merit a greater punishment than a murder committed for any other reason. Manslaughter is a different matter altogether, but I don't believe in greater punishment for hate crimes.

The difference between someone who commits a racial hate crime and someone who keeps racist thoughts bottled inside their head is that one is committing a crime and the other isn't. So I don't see why the former should be punished for the crime AND being racist while the latter should live forever out of reach of the long arm of the law. I don't think people should think racist thoughts, but it is their prerogative to think what they want.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that there can't really be any material evidence of a hate crime (Except KKK membership or something like that) , and that you can't really judge someone's motives. Hence you'd only end up prosecuting a miniscule number of crimes motivated by hate of a sexuality/gender/race.

Yes you did, your quote said that exactly.

And god if you're not even going to read my post why bother? They don't do this "Oh what? The victim was Christian...but the murderer he was an atheist? Slap a hate crime on it!" There's more to it than that which you seem to have a very hard time grasping.