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sleepy jack 04-13-2008 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 469013)
None of have countered this yet, so I'll throw it out there again: How do you quantify the punishment for a hate crime? How do you prove someone did something for a certain reason?
Urgh, you realize they don't just look at a crime and go "Well atheist vs christian it must be a hate crime" right?

655321 04-13-2008 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 469091)
To you, yeah. To others, there may be something inherently wrong with it.
so why be so close minded?

ProggyMan 04-13-2008 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469049)
Uh I've been trying to be a nice guy recently but I'm going to have to flat out call you an idiot here. Assaulting someone because of their nationality isn't simply "freedom of expression."
Nope, it's a crime, and it should be punished as such.

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469051)
Urgh, you realize they don't just look at a crime and go "Well atheist vs christian it must be a hate crime" right?
Yah, but in a lot of cases there's no real evidence.

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 469121)
Nope, it's a crime, and it should be punished as such.
Freedom of expression means you expressed it and if the thing you're expressing is racial violence than yeah thats illegal. You're really not making any sense. They're not taking away your freedom of expression because they aren't going to let you kill in the name of racial or religious hatred.

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Yah, but in a lot of cases there's no real evidence.
If there's no evidence they can't charge you with committing a hate crime. Maybe you should research topics before trying to have an opinion on them.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez 04-13-2008 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 469091)
To you, yeah. To others, there may be something inherently wrong with it.
There's something inherently wrong, if you choose to misinterpret the K'ran like a lot of the anti - Muslim propagandists. Islam is a peaceful religion, while, at its worst, somewhat sexist. But it isn't the U.S. hating, terror inciting book that some make it out to be.

ProggyMan 04-13-2008 05:25 PM
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Freedom of expression means you expressed it and if the thing you're expressing is racial violence than yeah thats illegal. You're really not making any sense. They're not taking away your freedom of expression because they aren't going to let you kill in the name of racial or religious hatred.
That's not what I was talking about. I'm saying people are allowed to voice their opinion and think whatever they want about a race/gender etc.


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If there's no evidence they can't charge you with committing a hate crime. Maybe you should research topics before trying to have an opinion on them.
This is my point. Most hate crimes that are committed there's no evidence for.

The Unfan 04-13-2008 05:27 PM
My main point was that the hate in no way makes the crime any worse.

"Man commits premeditated murder against another man"
sounds no better than
"White kills black"

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 469226)
That's not what I was talking about. I'm saying people are allowed to voice their opinion and think whatever they want about a race/gender etc.
Freedom of expression means expressing it which is pretty broad seeing as it can go from a simple "I hate" to killing someone.

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 469226)
This is my point. Most hate crimes that are committed there's no evidence for.
Can you back this up? If it's a a problem then it's not a problem with hate crimes it's a problem with the Judiciary system.

tkpb938 04-13-2008 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 469226)
This is my point. Most hate crimes that are committed there's no evidence for.
In which case they aren't charged for a hate crime...:clap:

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 469231)
My main point was that the hate in no way makes the crime any worse.

"Man commits premeditated murder against another man"
sounds no better than
"White kills black"
Agreed, there's no difference between "Man kills man found cheating on wife" isn't as bad as "Man killed man just because he was black."


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