Immigration (techno, country, American, title, quote)

savannah · 03-05-2008, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss

How can the poor and uneducated reform their own countries?

how else do countries get overthrown?

adidasss · 03-05-2008, 06:03 AM

You mean governments? Well, people have been overthrowing governments in Latin America for decades now, but I don't see their situation improving...meaning, it takes a lot to better the economic situation of a certain country. Most people can't wait that long to improve their lives...

Oh and by the way...:

Quote:

Just a small fraction of America's health care spending is used to provide publicly supported care to the nation's undocumented immigrants, according to a RAND Corporation study issued today.

Overall, immigrants to the United States use relatively few health services, primarily because they are generally healthier than their American-born counterparts, according to the study by the nonprofit research organization.

The report – which appears in the November edition of the journal Health Affairs – estimates that in the United States about $1.1 billion in federal, state and local government funds are spent annually on health care for undocumented immigrants aged 18 to 64. That amounts to an average of $11 in taxes for each U.S. household.

In contrast, a total of $88 billion in government funds were spent on health care for all non-elderly adults in 2000.

You really can't spare those 11 dollars?

~~Farfisa~~ · 03-05-2008, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savannah

roger that

Who is this Roger you speak of??

tkpb938 · 03-05-2008, 08:43 AM

This is my take on immigration: The government does not have the right to prevent anyone from going anywhere. period. Especially not when all they are trying to do is make enough money to feed their families. All us Americans are so facking decadent and lazy it would be good for us to have a slight drain in our economy anyway.

savannah · 03-05-2008, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss

You mean governments? Well, people have been overthrowing governments in Latin America for decades now, but I don't see their situation improving...meaning, it takes a lot to better the economic situation of a certain country. Most people can't wait that long to improve their lives...

Oh and by the way...:
You really can't spare those 11 dollars?

first that study is almost a decade old,..
and second thats documented cases

adidasss · 03-05-2008, 10:41 AM

Ok, do you have any recent relevant data?

savannah · 03-05-2008, 10:56 AM

i regret that i dont have numbers right here in front of me,.....
let me see what i can find you

~~The Unfan~~ · 03-05-2008, 06:36 PM

Slightly off topic but still relevant. The three things all first world countries have are technological wealth, a strong medical field, and good crop resources. These three things create the most job opportunities and long term markets. So I theorize that if we want to actually help Mexicans in the long run, we'd be better off helping them in the technological and scientific fields, including medical. Simply by introducing genetically engineered crops it'd probably create a market boom and create new job opportunities. Now imagine what other sciences could bring and you'd have them doing well. For a country to succeed it needs to be up to date on the evergrowing markets, and those markets are rooted in science. Also, another financially stable country would help commerce and better global economy so it helps more than just the mexicans in a way.

So if honestly helping other people is what we want to do than I'd suggest offering them some of what keeps the top nations on top. If we want to fix immigration laws, I'd say be more lax about it. If we are to be the land of the free, as we often suggest, I'd say being more open to immigration would be a positive thing.

Also, I'd be up for spending 11 dollars to help a stranger.

TheBig3 · 03-06-2008, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swim

ah, America, we'll take your land after you're damn broke from winning your independence and make sure you have to go through hell to come back here.

Yeah I wasn't sure what the implication was here either.

But since I'm the devils advocate. Doesn't it make sense that the country with the money and the health care system and the workers benefits gets the land?

Or did you want them to just have more land they didn't want to be in. Or maybe you just wanted Oklahoma to be a border state?

Is your problem with our immigration policy or is it with our manifest destiny?

djchameleon · 03-06-2008, 10:00 AM

I think she said earlier that her problem is with manifest destiny but I'll let her go into more detail about it

also The Unfan....that's a good idea in theory but there would also have to be an education system in place to support those technical professions

03-05-2008, 10:41 AM	#76 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Ok, do you have any recent relevant data? __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

03-05-2008, 10:56 AM	#77 (permalink)
savannah afrocentric Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: texas Posts: 753	i regret that i dont have numbers right here in front of me,..... let me see what i can find you __________________ i changed my mind; i changed my mind;now i'm feeling different all that time, wasted i wish i was a little more delicate i wish my i wish my i wish my i wish my i wish my name was clementine - sarah jaffe

03-05-2008, 08:43 AM	#74 (permalink)
tkpb938 Lvl 70 Troll Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sunny Phoenix Posts: 482	This is my take on immigration: The government does not have the right to prevent anyone from going anywhere. period. Especially not when all they are trying to do is make enough money to feed their families. All us Americans are so facking decadent and lazy it would be good for us to have a slight drain in our economy anyway.

03-05-2008, 06:36 PM	#78 (permalink)
~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	Slightly off topic but still relevant. The three things all first world countries have are technological wealth, a strong medical field, and good crop resources. These three things create the most job opportunities and long term markets. So I theorize that if we want to actually help Mexicans in the long run, we'd be better off helping them in the technological and scientific fields, including medical. Simply by introducing genetically engineered crops it'd probably create a market boom and create new job opportunities. Now imagine what other sciences could bring and you'd have them doing well. For a country to succeed it needs to be up to date on the evergrowing markets, and those markets are rooted in science. Also, another financially stable country would help commerce and better global economy so it helps more than just the mexicans in a way. So if honestly helping other people is what we want to do than I'd suggest offering them some of what keeps the top nations on top. If we want to fix immigration laws, I'd say be more lax about it. If we are to be the land of the free, as we often suggest, I'd say being more open to immigration would be a positive thing. Also, I'd be up for spending 11 dollars to help a stranger.

03-06-2008, 10:00 AM	#80 (permalink)
djchameleon A.B.N. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY baby Posts: 11,451	I think she said earlier that her problem is with manifest destiny but I'll let her go into more detail about it also The Unfan....that's a good idea in theory but there would also have to be an education system in place to support those technical professions