The Official Iraq War thread (country, dance, funk, rock)

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by James Earl Jones

On 9/11, the terrorists should have flown a plane into the white house and killed all of the right people.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I already said we went to Iraq under false pretenses, thats pretty much a fact. It dosen't change the fact that taking Saddam out of power was a good thing.



Actually we do care about it, because if we didn't we would have pulled out a long ass freaking time ago, if it was just for Oil, why still be there now, why continue to risk ourselves and burn a sh*tload of money if we already got what we came for? Why not just build rigs, kill everybody that gets in the way and make bail, if we are truly so selfish.

I also wouldn't compare Saddam to the Prime Minister of Iran from over 50 years ago, the scenarios are pretty different.



But Muslims don't do it as often, they take it much more literally, this is why Muslim extremism is such a big deal and while Christian extremism is just something to joke about on the Howard Stern show.



Fine, lets let them build another theocratic police state, it will almost be like we were never there in the first place.



Or if we sincerely view them as a threat. With Iraq it was both, what we were told about their alledged involvement with 9/11 and WMDs were generally not true. But they were harboring terrorists, before the war and especially after, some with the intention of coming here. Like I said, I don't care what our true reasons were.



I can tell them that they shouldn't establish a goverment that enforces their beliefs on others, every nation that is a Muslim theocratic state is a horrible place to be, try living as a woman in Saudi Arabia for a year.



So, we shouldn't deal with Islamist nations because of something that Christians did.... Over 700 years ago?



Be realistic please. Religion isnt gonna be "wished away". Its here and a part of life. And I have no problem with Religion existing as long as it dosen't control the goverment.



Compare that to just leaving, making a big mess and leaving THEM to clean it up. You think thats better?



Because we all know how well revolutions turn out.





They look for excuses to hate us, they're gonna hate us weither we stay in Iraq or not, thats a fact. But they will have a brand new reason to hate us if we just plain got up and left, after everything that has happened.



Other nations didnt want us to invade, but they're not gonna forgive us if we leave. In fact that will become just another excuse.



So lets make it worse.





At least give 9/11 some credit, oh wait, I forgot that Bush was responsable for that too.



Please, Bush is not Hitler, such comparisons should never be made.



Like I give a sh*t what Fat Mike says.



Iraq was no Nicaragua, not with a guy who had the production of Nuclear energy in the works and owned many palaces and enough cash to build underground tunnels and bunkers spanning everywhere through Bagdad and with god knows what stored there.



What does any of this have to do with our current state in Iraq? I never said America could do no wrong, I'm a Cherokee, I should f*cking know.



Our policies changed since 9/11. Terrorism within our borders was never a big deal until then, since then we ARE concerned with what happens in the middle east and what happens in Iraq, because it directly influences the terrorists that come here. National Security is our top priority, so what goes on in Iraq and elsewhere is very important.



Man you really know how to completely miss the point. I'm not at all what you would call a gung ho patriot. I'm not at all proud of the many bad things my country has done, and my politics generally lean left. But remembering the bad things that we shouldn't have done isn't going to justify not doing something we SHOULD have done.

I'll reply to this later, but maybe if you should do some more editing and quit sidestepping issues just so you can get the last word, "Like I give a sh*t what Fat Mike says.?" 1. How the hell was that a counter at all? 2. Its more than just fat mike.

And yes, I believe we do all know how well revolutions turn out.

[boo boo]

That was my counter because it says something about the way you justify your opinions.

"If a bunch of musicians say it, it must be true."

[sleepy jack]

Actually me calling bush a failure was completely my own opinion, where you got that musicians thing from I don't know. I was just stating that fact bashing our own President is the status quo says alot about how good of a job he's doing.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Crowquill

I was just stating that fact bashing our own President is the status quo says alot about how good of a job he's doing.

Toby Keith has gone platinum 21 times.

[sleepy jack]

And how much did his album with the pro-bush songs sell compared to American Idiot?

[boo boo]

Thats different, American Idiot is popular because it was made by a very popular band, who were popular long before they got political. Keith however has always been no butts about his conservative views. That and there are several other popular artists with conservative views, Charlie Daniels, ZZ Top, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Fear, Ted Nugent, Skrewdriver, etc. Just because there may be a few more on the left than right is insiginificant. Being in the majority dosen't make you right, if it does, that would mean Christians are more right than most people.

Besides, just because a lot of people likes a certain political artist dosen't mean that all of that artists fans share his politics.

Just look at ClashWho..... He loves The Clash.

[sleepy jack]

I don't keep up with country radio, but Toby Keith has been popular for awhile too if I remember right, and that disgusting Red White and Blue song was everywhere, country fans are conservative for the most part (look what happened with the dixie chicks) so naturally they'd all enjoy it and request it alot. But look at all the artists who came out with anti-bush songs, Eminem, Green Day, Foo Fighters, the Ataris, Sleater-Kinney, Yellowcard, and how many Rock Against Bush compilations have there been now, two or three? I don't understand how you can say being anti-bush doesn't sell.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Crowquill

I don't keep up with country radio, but Toby Keith has been popular for awhile too if I remember right, and that disgusting Red White and Blue song was everywhere, country fans are conservative for the most part (look what happened with the dixie chicks) so naturally they'd all enjoy it and request it alot. But look at all the artists who came out with anti-bush songs, Eminem, Green Day, Foo Fighters, the Ataris, Sleater-Kinney, Yellowcard, and how many Rock Against Bush compilations have there been now, two or three? I don't understand how you can say being anti-bush doesn't sell.

All rock bands, do you not see a pattern here?

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by boo boo

All rock bands, do you not see a pattern here?

Did you not see Eminem? What about Immortal Technique? or Mos Def?