Democratic Candidates (American, cover, income, quote, 2006)

A_Perfect_Sonnet · 05-15-2007, 12:23 AM

Kucinich is the man. http://www.kucinich.us

Hilary has such a generic left-wing feminist agenda and Obama supports invading Iran.

MURDER JUNKIE · 05-15-2007, 01:14 AM

Belinda Stronach FTW!!

I'm really not sure why, but I would bang her

I'm also not sure why it's relavent because I'm Canadian

DontRunMeOver · 05-15-2007, 04:08 AM

Ben, if Kucinich doesn't get in then do you think he'd be interested in running for Prime Minister over here? All of our candidates are useless. If the system doesn't allow for it I could try organising some kind of military coup... my department is a minutes walk from a gun factory so that's a start.

A_Perfect_Sonnet · 05-15-2007, 08:29 AM

If he did, I'll be your new neighbor.

Also, it may seem foreign (pun intended) to most Americans that Kucinich would actually like to LISTEN TO and USE the United Nations in his plan to withdraw from Iraq, when it is what we should've done in the first place. I can only hope that if he takes office he charges Bush and Cheney for high crimes against humanity. I just find it unbelievable that so many news sources call him marginalized and don't cover him when he is obviously looking out for the people rather than his own agendas.

The Dave · 05-15-2007, 09:23 AM

This guy is way better than Hilary and Obama, but as of right now I'm supporting Ron Paul: Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A_Perfect_Sonnet · 05-15-2007, 09:41 AM

He wants to abolish income tax and deport all illegal immigrants and HUCK HUCK... BUILD A BIG OL' FENCE BETWEEN US AND MEHICO!

Needless to say, he probably supports trickle-down economics (which doesn't work due to human greed - much like Communism), that only creates greater class segregation. The proper thing to do would be to repeal the tax breaks to the upper 1% (thanks to that moron GW), reintroduce the estate tax, and restore the middle class while bringing up the lower classes by raising minimum wage and creating more viable jobs.

On top of that, millions of illegals not only do the jobs that most people don't want, they pay for social security as well as file income taxes. So basically, he would be giving our economy a one-two punch that would thoroughly fuck America over. The only leverage he has is voting against the war. Far right at its worst.

The Dave · 05-15-2007, 09:55 AM

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He has taken some positions on foreign policy issues that some free market libertarians do not commonly hold. He opposes illegal immigration, and has called for a constitutional amendment to revise the Fourteenth Amendment. This amendment was added in order to naturalize former slaves, but it currently grants automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants. He has expressed concerns that welfare and other aid programs have made the US a magnet for illegals, and that uncontrolled immigration is increasing welfare payments and exacerbating the strain on an already highly unbalanced federal budget.

Paul believes that all immigrants should be treated fairly and equally under the law. He has spoken strongly against amnesty for illegal immigrants because it undermines the rule of law and grants pardons to lawbreakers [9]. Paul voted "yes" on the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorizes the construction of an additional 700 miles of double-layered fencing between the U.S and Mexico.

That does not say that he wants to ship them all back over merely that they become citizens. However, I don't like the fence bit at all, that wasn't there when i read this a couple of months ago. Most illegals do not pay an income tax or social security as the majority of them are payed under the table. I agree that they do jobs that we don't want to and that need to be done, but they could do the same job, get payed a bit more and actually pay taxes and such.

I think that abolishing the income would work well, there really is no need for it. Plus, he wants to get rid of the National bank/Federal bank:

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His opposition to the Federal Reserve is supported by an economic theory known as Austrian Business Cycle Theory, which holds that instead of containing inflation, the Federal Reserve, in theory and in practice, is responsible for causing inflation. In addition to eroding the value of individual savings, this creation of inflation leads to booms and busts in the economy. Thus Paul argues that government, via a central bank (the Federal Reserve), is the primary cause of economic recessions and depressions. He has stated in numerous speeches that most of his colleagues in Congress are unwilling to abolish the central bank because it funds many government activities. He says that to compensate for eliminating the "hidden tax" [10] of inflation, Congress and the president would instead have to raise taxes or cut government services, either of which could be politically damaging to their reputations. He also endorses defederalization of the healthcare system. Paul's campaign slogan for 2004 was "The Taxpayers' Best Friend!". [11]

And he supports Free Trade and pulling our troops out.

But yeah, I agree with you on the immigration part, the fence thing is dumb and illegals to provide a service for us but they could provide an even bigger service by being citizens. I don't know all of that you mean by the "trickle down" part, but I'll look in to it.

~~The Unfan~~ · 05-15-2007, 05:20 PM

Kucinich seems like a fairly strong choice. His views on pretty much everything (from economy to the war) are agreeable and I (personally) find his speeches to be rather powerful and charismatic. He's got my vote as of right now, but there are a few choices I need to look a little further into before making up my mind.

Alexander the Grape · 05-15-2007, 09:26 PM

Yeah, Kucinich is by far my favorite candidate at this point. I don't know how much of a chance he has, though. Its too bad most people in the US are stupid. I'm glad I get to vote this time around.

~~The Unfan~~ · 05-16-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Grape

I don't know how much of a chance he has, though.

Close to none. Lack of coverage and exposure early on will prevent him for being a contender later on.

05-15-2007, 12:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
A_Perfect_Sonnet Dinosaurus Rex!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winchester, VA Posts: 896	Democratic Candidates Kucinich is the man. http://www.kucinich.us Hilary has such a generic left-wing feminist agenda and Obama supports invading Iran.

05-15-2007, 08:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
A_Perfect_Sonnet Dinosaurus Rex!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winchester, VA Posts: 896	If he did, I'll be your new neighbor. Also, it may seem foreign (pun intended) to most Americans that Kucinich would actually like to LISTEN TO and USE the United Nations in his plan to withdraw from Iraq, when it is what we should've done in the first place. I can only hope that if he takes office he charges Bush and Cheney for high crimes against humanity. I just find it unbelievable that so many news sources call him marginalized and don't cover him when he is obviously looking out for the people rather than his own agendas. Last edited by A_Perfect_Sonnet; 05-15-2007 at 08:34 AM.

05-15-2007, 01:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
MURDER JUNKIE The Wetter The Better!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SH1TTY London Ontario Canada Posts: 2,504	Belinda Stronach FTW!! I'm really not sure why, but I would bang her I'm also not sure why it's relavent because I'm Canadian

05-15-2007, 09:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
The Dave Me and The Major Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,830	This guy is way better than Hilary and Obama, but as of right now I'm supporting Ron Paul: Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05-15-2007, 09:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
A_Perfect_Sonnet Dinosaurus Rex!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winchester, VA Posts: 896	He wants to abolish income tax and deport all illegal immigrants and HUCK HUCK... BUILD A BIG OL' FENCE BETWEEN US AND MEHICO! Needless to say, he probably supports trickle-down economics (which doesn't work due to human greed - much like Communism), that only creates greater class segregation. The proper thing to do would be to repeal the tax breaks to the upper 1% (thanks to that moron GW), reintroduce the estate tax, and restore the middle class while bringing up the lower classes by raising minimum wage and creating more viable jobs. On top of that, millions of illegals not only do the jobs that most people don't want, they pay for social security as well as file income taxes. So basically, he would be giving our economy a one-two punch that would thoroughly fuck America over. The only leverage he has is voting against the war. Far right at its worst.

05-15-2007, 05:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	Kucinich seems like a fairly strong choice. His views on pretty much everything (from economy to the war) are agreeable and I (personally) find his speeches to be rather powerful and charismatic. He's got my vote as of right now, but there are a few choices I need to look a little further into before making up my mind.

05-15-2007, 09:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
Alexander the Grape Un****withable Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wyoming Posts: 196	Yeah, Kucinich is by far my favorite candidate at this point. I don't know how much of a chance he has, though. Its too bad most people in the US are stupid. I'm glad I get to vote this time around.