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Drjohnrock 03-22-2025 10:57 PM

UK Subs denied entry into US
 
I'm not a huge fan of the band. But this really angers me. The US is turning into a banana republic.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ained-deported

jadis 03-23-2025 04:18 AM

Very stupid and dangerous

Buckeye Randy 03-23-2025 04:30 AM

Consider the news source. I avoid passing quick judgement when the source is by extreme news sources from either the right (OAN) or left sources like this one from The Guardian.

Do you believe the band was denied entry because of political statements?

If entry to the U.S. was based on criticism of Trump, I feel there would be more people denied entry.

jadis 03-23-2025 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Randy (Post 2241302)
Consider the news source. I avoid passing quick judgement when the source is by extreme news sources from either the right (OAN) or left sources like this one from The Guardian.

Do you believe the band was denied entry because of political statements?

If entry to the U.S. was based on criticism of Trump, I feel there would be more people denied entry.

On issues I know a thing or two about, like the Israeli conflict, the Guardian is a complete joke. But I wonder what other explanation there could be here.

Drjohnrock 03-23-2025 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis (Post 2241303)
But I wonder what other explanation there could be here.



There is no other explanation.

Buckeye Randy 03-23-2025 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Drjohnrock (Post 2241306)
There is no other explanation.

So you think criticism of Trump is the only reason some members were denied entry while vocalist Charlie Harper was allowed entry?

I do not judge or criticize what people believe just as I do not like being judged or criticized.

Buckeye Randy 03-24-2025 02:01 AM

Authorities gave Gibbs (bassist Alvin Gibbs) two reasons for the detainment: One was that he had an incorrect visa and the other they wouldn’t disclose.

As I said before, it's tough to wade through opinions with fringe news sources. I found the above quote in several articles so give it whatever credibility you want.

I also found that vocalist Charlie Harper gained entry and performed at a weekend festival backed by session musicians. Obviously, Charlie wasn't bothered enough to cancel the performance.

jadis 03-24-2025 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Randy (Post 2241327)
Authorities gave Gibbs (bassist Alvin Gibbs) two reasons for the detainment: One was that he had an incorrect visa and the other they wouldn’t disclose.

As I said before, it's tough to wade through opinions with fringe news sources. I found the above quote in several articles so give it whatever credibility you want.

I also found that vocalist Charlie Harper gained entry and performed at a weekend festival backed by session musicians. Obviously, Charlie wasn't bothered enough to cancel the performance.

If only the Guardian was fringe... It's one of the most prestigious brands in world media, unfortunately.

Buckeye Randy 03-24-2025 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis (Post 2241330)
If only the Guardian was fringe... It's one of the most prestigious brands in world media, unfortunately.

True statement about The Guardian having huge influence and not being a niche source. When I said fringe I was thinking opinions from the far left or far right but I didn't state that very clearly.

I do feel that people getting single source news (or single views from multiple sources) are not doing themselves any favors.

I also think the UK Subs have not more than a few good songs that are over 40 years old. There is nothing really newsworthy about a festival appearance so maybe this was all a ploy to get some attention. If that's the case, well done!

Drjohnrock 03-29-2025 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jadis (Post 2241330)
If only the Guardian was fringe... It's one of the most prestigious brands in world media, unfortunately.


Attackng a story because you dislike the source for other reasons is not a cogent argument. But while it's hardly worth it, The Telegraph, not known for its left wing bias, also covered the story:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/...bing_reg_first

Also covering the story is the Los Angeles Daily Times, also not known for its Marxist approach to reporting:

https://www.dailynews.com/2025/03/21...ump-criticism/

This happened quite a bit during the first Trump term as well. Some examples:

https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/sxsw...sa-issues.html

So yes, there's a pattern here. And that's not even getting into the detention, warrantless arrests and denial of due process for people legally in the US.


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