Rishi Sunak says 'a man is a man and a woman is a woman'

Synthgirl · Yesterday, 07:47 AM

“manufactured victimhood” jesus christ. You do understand that the US government is threatening to ban hormone therapy for adults in several states, and that trans people, particularly post-op ones, being cut off from that causes them to suffer menopausal effects, osteoporosis and severe mental distress. Trans prisoners are already being forcibly detransitioned and intentionally placed in prisons where they are overwhelmingly subjected to physical and sexual violence. Trans women are four times as likely to be the victims of violent crime than cis women. The US just eliminated the LGBT youth suicide hotline. Though given the fact that you make fun of the higher suicide rate among trans people I’m sure you don’t give a ****.

jadis · Yesterday, 10:17 AM

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You do understand that the US government is threatening to ban hormone therapy for adults in several states

I distinctly remember hearing of a "trans genocide" being in full swing maybe about a decade ago, under a Trudeau govt. In the words of one of my favorite scenes from Die Hard 3, "Hey, just relax mate, maybe you'll live through this."

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causes them to suffer menopausal effects

I googled this and the top symptom listed is "irregular periods"... Is that a major problem for MTFs?

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Trans prisoners are already being forcibly detransitioned and intentionally placed in prisons where they are overwhelmingly subjected to physical and sexual violence.

I suspect this means men are being placed in male prisons?

Synthgirl · Yesterday, 10:39 AM

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I googled this and the top symptom listed is "irregular periods"... Is that a major problem for MTFs?

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgen...man_stops_hrt/

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I suspect this means men are being placed in male prisons?

It means that they are being cut off from their HRT, the health effects of which we’ve already established. And this. https://www.pushblack.us/news/how-v-...prison-culture

jadis · Yesterday, 10:47 AM

Sounds very unpleasant stuff. And yet, what is gained by calling it "menopausal effects"?

Unless google deceives me, "Menopause is when periods stop for good."

In what sense can periods stop having never started?

Synthgirl · Yesterday, 10:58 AM

As in, symptoms common to those in menopause. Obviously not all of the symptoms menopausal cis women suffer are relevant to trans women. I used “menopausal symptoms” as shorthand for stuff like this:

jadis · Yesterday, 11:18 AM

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The word 'menopause' comes from the Greek words 'menos' meaning month and 'pause' meaning to cease. Menopause means the monthly period stops.

Let's speculate on why the word referring to menstruation is the very word that trans activists use to refer to symptoms afflicting the bodies of biological men, for whom menstruation is a biological impossibility.

Sounds a bit aspirational, wouldn't you say? Shaping reality through language and all that?

jadis · Yesterday, 12:29 PM

Who says we never link to Pink News on Rishi Sunak says 'a man is a man and a woman is a woman'

We asked Labour’s 59 LGBTQ+ MPs if they think trans women are women – just four replied saying yes

**Marie Monday** · Yesterday, 01:02 PM

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Some of this is true for sure. I have unpleasant sides to my personality that get amplified in an anonymous online forum where I don’t have to worry about social sanction. And where my obsessiveness* gets free rein.

A couple of buts.

The first time around I felt bad about bullying poor old Trollheart. He and some of the others have since reminded me that the most pitiable are also the most vicious when they find groups of people that can be designated as legitimate targets for righteous outrage. So however poorly it reflects on me I’m fine with mocking and venting against those addicted to manufactured victimhood. In practice, I’m not entirely sure that your position of always being à côté du bien is more defensible. It certainly has led you to accepting some morally cretinous positions.

*Triggered in this case by my Soviet background. If you're gonna tell me that in the name of a hegemonic ideology of collective good a certain topic is off limit, I'll never shut up about it. If you (not you personally in thsi case) say that posing questions about the trans ideology is a thought crime then I'm opening a thread just for that.

jadis · Yesterday, 01:21 PM

I'm sorry, Marie. I'll try harder to entertain you.

Tristan_Geoff · Today, 07:50 AM

when you take 1. estrogen 2. ur body goes thru *puberty* and you start having things like, what people whose bodies have estrogen from birth go thru in terms of body changes 3. if you are on estrogen you will have periods even if you dont bleed periods are a hormonal imbalance you'll get all the stuff that comes with it

the are trans women real woman debate is so overplayed and trite at this point. women, even cis women, are boxless in terms of what femininity can be and what it means to each person, the definitions are as vast as there are women. the more rigid structure is masculinity, at least the westernized box of it in which men are made to perform for other men's approval in a homo-erotic patriarchal system. women are not seen as humans with their own agency but rather as trophies to show other men. a lot of these men are not straight as one would think but given the lack of social contract would jump at the chance to get it on with their colleagues whose attention they so readily crave.

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Synthgirl Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 162	“manufactured victimhood” jesus christ. You do understand that the US government is threatening to ban hormone therapy for adults in several states, and that trans people, particularly post-op ones, being cut off from that causes them to suffer menopausal effects, osteoporosis and severe mental distress. Trans prisoners are already being forcibly detransitioned and intentionally placed in prisons where they are overwhelmingly subjected to physical and sexual violence. Trans women are four times as likely to be the victims of violent crime than cis women. The US just eliminated the LGBT youth suicide hotline. Though given the fact that you make fun of the higher suicide rate among trans people I’m sure you don’t give a ***. Last edited by Synthgirl; Yesterday at 07:53 AM.*

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jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,440	Sounds very unpleasant stuff. And yet, what is gained by calling it "menopausal effects"? Unless google deceives me, "Menopause is when periods stop for good." In what sense can periods stop having never started? __________________ "In postwar Europe, on the whole, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and equally absurd hatreds rooted in ancient religious texts became a disgraced and dead relic buried in the ruins of the Third Reich. But in the postwar Middle East, these notions persisted in elements of radical nationalist and Isl?mist politics."

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jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,440	Who says we never link to Pink News on Rishi Sunak says 'a man is a man and a woman is a woman' We asked Labour’s 59 LGBTQ+ MPs if they think trans women are women – just four replied saying yes __________________ "In postwar Europe, on the whole, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and equally absurd hatreds rooted in ancient religious texts became a disgraced and dead relic buried in the ruins of the Third Reich. But in the postwar Middle East, these notions persisted in elements of radical nationalist and Isl?mist politics."

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jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,440	I'm sorry, Marie. I'll try harder to entertain you. __________________ "In postwar Europe, on the whole, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and equally absurd hatreds rooted in ancient religious texts became a disgraced and dead relic buried in the ruins of the Third Reich. But in the postwar Middle East, these notions persisted in elements of radical nationalist and Isl?mist politics."

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Synthgirl Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 162	As in, symptoms common to those in menopause. Obviously not all of the symptoms menopausal cis women suffer are relevant to trans women. I used “menopausal symptoms” as shorthand for stuff like this: