Rishi Sunak says 'a man is a man and a woman is a woman'

**Marie Monday** · 12-14-2023, 03:02 PM

yeah no that tweet is obviously heinous but it's not representative at all of people who support trans identity in general, but we've discussed these things before. You need to get out of your bubble. I actually worry about how you're doing.

jadis · 12-14-2023, 04:15 PM

Marie, your concern is noted.

The only bubble I'm familiar with is the one where fashionable nonsense like trans ideology has the greatest purchase: university campuses. For years, my attitude to all this was not particularly different from that of my peers, meaning I obediently mouthed all the shibboleths. I also have always been well disposed to those trans people I knew IRL, Montreal is one of the most queer friendly cities in the world (except in recent years lesbians have largely dissapeared it seems, wonder what's up with that) and I'm proud of that. Finally, I love reading gender theory and queer writing, from Genet to Andrea Long Chu. My literary taste is rudiculously gay.

What intervened is reality. When I see someone who's clearly an incel who has retained every drop of his bottomless resentment of women as he transitioned, I can't pretend that my concern is about his feelings and pronouns. No, my concern is about the women who have to share a gas station toilet with this freak. For me that burst the bubble I was in. After that I started reading up on puberty blockers, what is actually happening in the Canadian prison system and all the rest of it.

I still think there are trans people who are great, who are real individuals with their own stories and who don't just recite the ideological script.

**Marie Monday** · 12-14-2023, 05:10 PM

just like the existence of good and reasonable trans people doesn't justify overlooking people like the kind of creep you describe, the existence of those creeps also doesn't justify the opposite

Synthgirl · 12-14-2023, 05:56 PM

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I still think there are trans people who are great, who are real individuals with their own stories and who don't just recite the ideological script.

Ok dude. Good to know at least some of us meet your standards of “real individuality”. You do realize how dehumanizing that sounds, right?

Whatever, man. When Trump gets re-elected and hormones are banned for all ages, all online trans resources are censored and all trans people are forcibly detransitioned, I hope you and your TERF homies feel just so good about yourselves for relentlessly spreading and platforming this hatred of us.

Mindy · 12-14-2023, 07:26 PM

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When Trump gets re-elected

Im hoping Gavin Newsom saves us, or they put Biden on Adderall lol

SGR · 12-14-2023, 07:28 PM

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Im hoping Gavin Newsom saves us, or they put Biden on Adderall lol

Gavin Newsom wouldn't get it done. You'd need Michelle Obama.

Mindy · 12-14-2023, 07:35 PM

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Gavin Newsom wouldn't get it done. You'd need Michelle Obama.

Michelle Obama

WWWP · 12-14-2023, 09:22 PM

God no, as a Californian, not Newsom.

jadis · 12-15-2023, 08:32 AM

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just like the existence of good and reasonable trans people doesn't justify overlooking people like the kind of creep you describe, the existence of those creeps also doesn't justify the opposite

The political demands of trans activism reflect the creep agenda and are unacceptable. We've been down that road already once or twice.

Once you stretch the concept of "woman" to where everyone can just opt into it there's no legal basis to contest the outcomes (such as what we see in the Canadian prison system and, more broadly, the introduction of the male gaze and penis into spaces created to exclude those). There's a price to everything, and the price of good intentions is usually steeper than members of the community of the good are prepared to admit.

Synthgirl · 12-15-2023, 09:58 AM

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jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 1,359	Marie, your concern is noted. The only bubble I'm familiar with is the one where fashionable nonsense like trans ideology has the greatest purchase: university campuses. For years, my attitude to all this was not particularly different from that of my peers, meaning I obediently mouthed all the shibboleths. I also have always been well disposed to those trans people I knew IRL, Montreal is one of the most queer friendly cities in the world (except in recent years lesbians have largely dissapeared it seems, wonder what's up with that) and I'm proud of that. Finally, I love reading gender theory and queer writing, from Genet to Andrea Long Chu. My literary taste is rudiculously gay. What intervened is reality. When I see someone who's clearly an incel who has retained every drop of his bottomless resentment of women as he transitioned, I can't pretend that my concern is about his feelings and pronouns. No, my concern is about the women who have to share a gas station toilet with this freak. For me that burst the bubble I was in. After that I started reading up on puberty blockers, what is actually happening in the Canadian prison system and all the rest of it. I still think there are trans people who are great, who are real individuals with their own stories and who don't just recite the ideological script. Last edited by jadis; 12-14-2023 at 04:21 PM.

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