Does a country accent make you a country singer? (blues, pop)

TheBig3 · 03-02-2006, 06:49 PM

So Bo Bice is a country artist?

sleepy jack · 03-02-2006, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by some_exotic_booze

Well, let me rephrase...

If you are a singer and have a country accent...

Still no. Thats a stupid question, no offense.

Mama Booze · 03-02-2006, 06:54 PM

I know, I think the answer is "absolutly not" but I wanted to see what other people think.

Merkaba · 03-02-2006, 09:40 PM

It's like Big3 said on the first page, it's more to do with Celtic music then the country style voice. Singing won't determine much, rather what you sing about and what music accompanies the voice.

TheBig3 · 03-02-2006, 11:42 PM

Boozy still must answer my question: Is Bo Bice a country artist?

And thank you Merkaba, its rooted in the depressing folk culture of irish peasent songs. It is mostly defined by sustained notes and slide guitar. The twang is certainly a peice of country, but notes alone are simple notes.

The notes when juxtaposed and the distance between those notes are all that matter. The twang of country is not the quarter step of middle eastern music, so its a specific kind of twang.

As yourself this, if you answered yes to the original question, then can there be instrumental country music?

Crowe · 03-03-2006, 11:35 AM

First of all, let's clear this up - it's not an accent, it's a dialect. If you have a "country" dialect, which really is technically called "Southern American English" - an accent, simply, is if you are speaking a language that is not your 1st spoken language. So if a person from China starts speaking American English, he will have an accent. A dialect is the deviation of the spoken Standardized language in the country that you are from.

Secondly... Big3, country music was born to the south. While it draws influence from Celtic ( as well as Gospel, Blues, and traditional folk) it still, as a genre was born in Tennesse ( look up Jimmie Rodgers and the Carter family, who are widely considered to be the founders of country music)
Also, it is very presumptuous of you to call someone elses idea of music damaged - you are growing the horns of an elitist a-hole when you do that... while in some cases it might be true, you cannot call his idea of music damaged from him saying he likes old school country without coming off like the aforementioned a-hole.

All that being said, I think modern country is a joke that has been stained by the pop influence. I liked the 1960's Nashville sound, as well as the 1950's bluegrass blow up. Can't forget the Man in Black either. When I heard they were making Walk the Line I nearly exploded. Johnny Cash? That's good country-pop.

Mama Booze · 03-03-2006, 02:36 PM

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Is Bo Bice a country artist?

More like country-rock...or southern rock...

TheBig3 · 03-05-2006, 08:21 AM

It's presumptuious of you to assume you're smarter than me. Let's clear it up, you're wrong on the very first thing you've said in your argument, why would I be bothered to look up anything else?

I took linguitics courses, I knew you were wrong. I've brought the proof. Go read a book.

Main Entry: Dialect
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: local speech
Synonyms: accent, argot, can, idiom, jargon, language, lingo, localism, patois, patter, pronunciation, provincialism, regionalism, slang, terminology, tongue, vernacular, vocabulary
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved

So not only did you say I was an elitist *******, but you completly disregarded my actual points here. You said nothing about the instrumentation or placement of notes in the music, no what did you tell me?:

Jimmy Rodgers and the carter family invented coutry.

Thats simply amazing. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to guess one person didn't invent an enitre genre of music. Irish immigrants, moving to the country had more to do with country musics emmersion than anything else.

Crowe · 03-07-2006, 12:31 AM

Big. I never assumed I was smarter than you, look in my post and find where I said that or even implied it... I didn't, you are the one who assumed. You also assumed I was attacking you, I was not. If you remember correctly - in some ambiguous list on the General Forums, I expressed my fondness for you as a forum member. However, you did come out sounding like an elitist a-hole.

(Note: I never called you one, I was just observing that you came off like one - in my opinion - to whoever it was that said they liked Old School country)

You were very condescending to that person - calling their idea of music damaged - basing this on 2 lines of non-formal writing. I hate when people think they are the sole possessors of some great tome of musical knowledge. I hate elitists.

And now you have taken an offensive- I understand that you misread or misunderstood my intentions of pointing out that you were coming off in a manner that is not best fitting of you- and I wish that I could have explained that better. But you are wrong about dialect and accent. They are not the same thing. And I'm glad you looked up an online thesaurus in conjuncture with your "linguistic classes" - so, I will offer my own proof... and I'm sure you've read a book or two, as I have never doubted your intelligence and will not attack it, because I am without an inferiority complex in that manner.

In spoken language - in this context - this is the correct definition of "accent"

b. One determined by the phonetic habits of the speaker's native language carried over to his or her use of another language.

now.. dialect...

a. A regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary, especially a variety of speech differing from the standard literary language or speech pattern of the culture in which it exists: ie. C0ckney is a dialect of English.
Southern American English is a dialect of Standard American English

www.dictionary.com - do the 5 second search yourself if you don't believe me.

You see, the "PROOF" you had also includes lamens, and slang. Accent, when used as - oh he has a redneck accent - is SLANG. Not proper.

While I am sure you took SOME linguistic courses. Let me now flaunt my own expertise in the field - and I'll be a little bit less vague than your own claim.

I am a Theatre/Screenwriting double major. While at first glance that may not prove to be an impressive statement for this conversation- take a second to think about what that means. In case you've missed it - I'm an actor and writer, part of the trade of acting and writing is LO and BEHOLD speaking/writing in -accents/dialects... that being said, my schooling at the conservatory includes Accents and Dialects I, II, III- and Advanced Studies in Accents and Dialects... I have taken all of these classes, as well as attending more than 10 seminars given by reknowned experts on the subject of Accents and Dialects... if someone talks to me, I can get them at least to the region of the state or country that they are from. Most of the time I can pin them to a city, and some times I can narrow it down to the section of the city (especially European accents).

Long story short. I know more about this particular subject than you do. I am not being elitist in this manner, I do not think I am better than you in any way, this just happens to be what I do on a daily basis, that I have been doing since I was 6 years old.

And as for "disregarding your points" - I did not disregard them, in fact I thought you were very well informed with your knowledge of the music theory. Therefore, I had no reason to bring them up. I was merely saying that, yes, country music as a genre was born right here in the South.

Well, I'm in Chicago now. But I'm from Georgia.

Stone Magnet · 03-07-2006, 12:58 AM

The only thing that makes you a country singer is singing in a country band. Sounds reasonably straightforward, doesn't it?

03-02-2006, 06:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
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03-02-2006, 09:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	It's like Big3 said on the first page, it's more to do with Celtic music then the country style voice. Singing won't determine much, rather what you sing about and what music accompanies the voice. __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

03-02-2006, 11:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Boozy still must answer my question: Is Bo Bice a country artist? And thank you Merkaba, its rooted in the depressing folk culture of irish peasent songs. It is mostly defined by sustained notes and slide guitar. The twang is certainly a peice of country, but notes alone are simple notes. The notes when juxtaposed and the distance between those notes are all that matter. The twang of country is not the quarter step of middle eastern music, so its a specific kind of twang. As yourself this, if you answered yes to the original question, then can there be instrumental country music? __________________ I've moved to a new address

03-03-2006, 11:35 AM	#16 (permalink)
Crowe Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 699	First of all, let's clear this up - it's not an accent, it's a dialect. If you have a "country" dialect, which really is technically called "Southern American English" - an accent, simply, is if you are speaking a language that is not your 1st spoken language. So if a person from China starts speaking American English, he will have an accent. A dialect is the deviation of the spoken Standardized language in the country that you are from. Secondly... Big3, country music was born to the south. While it draws influence from Celtic ( as well as Gospel, Blues, and traditional folk) it still, as a genre was born in Tennesse ( look up Jimmie Rodgers and the Carter family, who are widely considered to be the founders of country music) Also, it is very presumptuous of you to call someone elses idea of music damaged - you are growing the horns of an elitist a-hole when you do that... while in some cases it might be true, you cannot call his idea of music damaged from him saying he likes old school country without coming off like the aforementioned a-hole. All that being said, I think modern country is a joke that has been stained by the pop influence. I liked the 1960's Nashville sound, as well as the 1950's bluegrass blow up. Can't forget the Man in Black either. When I heard they were making Walk the Line I nearly exploded. Johnny Cash? That's good country-pop. __________________

03-05-2006, 08:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	It's presumptuious of you to assume you're smarter than me. Let's clear it up, you're wrong on the very first thing you've said in your argument, why would I be bothered to look up anything else? I took linguitics courses, I knew you were wrong. I've brought the proof. Go read a book. Main Entry: Dialect Part of Speech: noun Definition: local speech Synonyms: accent, argot, can, idiom, jargon, language, lingo, localism, patois, patter, pronunciation, provincialism, regionalism, slang, terminology, tongue, vernacular, vocabulary Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1) Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved So not only did you say I was an elitist *******, but you completly disregarded my actual points here. You said nothing about the instrumentation or placement of notes in the music, no what did you tell me?: Jimmy Rodgers and the carter family invented coutry. Thats simply amazing. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to guess one person didn't invent an enitre genre of music. Irish immigrants, moving to the country had more to do with country musics emmersion than anything else. __________________ I've moved to a new address

03-02-2006, 06:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mama Booze Here's lookin at you, kid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The White Hotel Posts: 366	I know, I think the answer is "absolutly not" but I wanted to see what other people think.

03-07-2006, 12:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
Crowe Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 699	Big. I never assumed I was smarter than you, look in my post and find where I said that or even implied it... I didn't, you are the one who assumed. You also assumed I was attacking you, I was not. If you remember correctly - in some ambiguous list on the General Forums, I expressed my fondness for you as a forum member. However, you did come out sounding like an elitist a-hole. (Note: I never called you one, I was just observing that you came off like one - in my opinion - to whoever it was that said they liked Old School country) You were very condescending to that person - calling their idea of music damaged - basing this on 2 lines of non-formal writing. I hate when people think they are the sole possessors of some great tome of musical knowledge. I hate elitists. And now you have taken an offensive- I understand that you misread or misunderstood my intentions of pointing out that you were coming off in a manner that is not best fitting of you- and I wish that I could have explained that better. But you are wrong about dialect and accent. They are not the same thing. And I'm glad you looked up an online thesaurus in conjuncture with your "linguistic classes" - so, I will offer my own proof... and I'm sure you've read a book or two, as I have never doubted your intelligence and will not attack it, because I am without an inferiority complex in that manner. In spoken language - in this context - this is the correct definition of "accent" b. One determined by the phonetic habits of the speaker's native language carried over to his or her use of another language. now.. dialect... a. A regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary, especially a variety of speech differing from the standard literary language or speech pattern of the culture in which it exists: ie. C0ckney is a dialect of English. Southern American English is a dialect of Standard American English www.dictionary.com - do the 5 second search yourself if you don't believe me. You see, the "PROOF" you had also includes lamens, and slang. Accent, when used as - oh he has a redneck accent - is SLANG. Not proper. While I am sure you took SOME linguistic courses. Let me now flaunt my own expertise in the field - and I'll be a little bit less vague than your own claim. I am a Theatre/Screenwriting double major. While at first glance that may not prove to be an impressive statement for this conversation- take a second to think about what that means. In case you've missed it - I'm an actor and writer, part of the trade of acting and writing is LO and BEHOLD speaking/writing in -accents/dialects... that being said, my schooling at the conservatory includes Accents and Dialects I, II, III- and Advanced Studies in Accents and Dialects... I have taken all of these classes, as well as attending more than 10 seminars given by reknowned experts on the subject of Accents and Dialects... if someone talks to me, I can get them at least to the region of the state or country that they are from. Most of the time I can pin them to a city, and some times I can narrow it down to the section of the city (especially European accents). Long story short. I know more about this particular subject than you do. I am not being elitist in this manner, I do not think I am better than you in any way, this just happens to be what I do on a daily basis, that I have been doing since I was 6 years old. And as for "disregarding your points" - I did not disregard them, in fact I thought you were very well informed with your knowledge of the music theory. Therefore, I had no reason to bring them up. I was merely saying that, yes, country music as a genre was born right here in the South. Well, I'm in Chicago now. But I'm from Georgia. __________________

03-07-2006, 12:58 AM	#20 (permalink)
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