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09-29-2011, 04:57 AM | #291 (permalink) |
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Dylan as a political commentator is not extinct. This is possibly his most astute political song
In this song he dares to be unfashionable & comments on the demonization of Israel by self righteous bigots
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However, if we're going to talk about pioneers in lyricism, I feel that The Velvet Underground (whose frontman was actually heavily influenced by Dylan) were much more important. They brought both intelligence and "forbidden" subject matters to rock, and this was around the same time that Dylan started to (1965). Quote:
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09-29-2011, 12:22 PM | #294 (permalink) | |
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The Velvet underground was great. Its pretty apparent that Lou Reed was influenced by Dylan. You can hear it in his vocal style. However, I dont think he was better than Dylan. I dont think they more important either. As you said, Reed was heavily influenced by Dylan. I dont need to provide examples. Just listen to the music, read the lyrics. Its a fact that Dylan was very influenced by classic poets. He has been nominated for the Nobel Prize in literature every year since 1996. The only thing keeping him from winning is the fact some people dont think song lyrics are poetry. But there is no question that the two are linked. "I don't think there's anybody that uses words better than he does," said Christopher Ricks, Professor of poetry at Oxford University and the author of highly regarded works of literary criticism such as "The Force of Poetry" and "Allusion to the Poets," as well as books on T.S. Eliot, Lord Alfred Tennyson and John Keats. "But I think his is an art of a mixed medium," Ricks said. "I think the question would not be whether he deserves (the Nobel Prize) as an honor to his art. The question would be whether his art can be described as literature." "Dylan is a major American bard and minstrel of the 20th century" who deserves the award for his "mighty and universal powers," Allen Ginsberg wrote in his Nobel Prize nomination letter. Dylan was more than a decent lyricist. If he was decent, then give me an example of a better one, besides Lou Reed and Leonard Cohen. Leonard Cohen is the one guy that I will say was better than Dylan, and im not even sure that he was better. I prefer Dylan. Lou Reed is close, but I wont say hes better. He was also more than a decent musician. His songs focus on his lyrics, not his musicianship. He was a good finger picker and he could hold his own on the organ, piano and harmonica. Ive seen him live and I couldnt believe how good he was at the organ and harmonica, simply because his records dont display his skill as an instrumentalist. He was doing some soloing on his harmonica when I saw him and it was great. I was very surprised by how good he was. the first 30 seconds of soloing in this song is Dyan. Its not amazing, but its not bad by any means. He never was a lead guitarist. Actually, its pretty difficult to sing while doing some of his fingerpicking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dDHkRrJ9QE Also, just about all of the lead guitar playing on his unplugged album was done by him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJpB_AEZf6U If youre not a Dyaln hater and you know of some good examples of his skill as an instrumentalist, please post them. Last edited by blastingas10; 09-29-2011 at 01:20 PM. |
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09-29-2011, 06:55 PM | #296 (permalink) | |
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I will agree that the velvet underground were more experimental and innovative, but i dont think they were more important. Nobody can match Dylans level of influence except maybe the Beatles with the Velvet Underground shortly behind. I feel that its pretty safe to say that Dylan is the most influential artist of all time. The velvet underground werent even very popular in their day, it wasnt till later on down the road that they really got noticed. But that being said, The Velvet Underground were wayyyy ahead of their time and very very influential. Im a big fan. Townes Van Zandt was good but he was no Dylan in my opinion. What about Van Morrison? I think he was a great lyricist. Were pretty much seeing eye to eye here. We agree on most things being said. |
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10-01-2011, 09:42 AM | #299 (permalink) |
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"The last time I met Bob was after a concert he'd done in Paris. We met in a cafe and we had a real good writers talk. You couldnt meet two people who work more differently. He said, "I like the song you wrote called Hallelujah. How long did it take you?" And I said, "Oh the best part of two years." He said, "two years?" Kinda shocked. And then we started talking about a song of his called I and I from infidels. I said, "How long did you take to write that?" He said, "Ohhh, 15 minutes." I almost fell off my chair. Bob just laughed." - Leonard Cohen
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Cypress Avenue and Madame George are just amazing tracks: though it sounds a bit harsh to say it, Van Morrison spent the rest of his career failing to live up to the promise he showed on this album. |
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