Hard edged, brutal classical music

OccultHawk · 05-27-2017, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic

Though Carter (like the serialists) often falls into the category of being too romantic, so it looses that edge.

I don't think that's a fair criticism of Carter. I assume you intentionally used a lowercase r romantic. I get that it's a bit off topic but I think you could just as easily say that the composers you're favoring use extreme dissonance as a crutch. That's certainly NOT my opinion. I'm just pointing out they Carter fills a very important place in the 20th C. Different composers brought different elements to the table. Carter's music is dissonant and lyrical and definitely very important.

Spectralmusic · 05-27-2017, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I don't think that's a fair criticism of Carter. I assume you intentionally used a lowercase r romantic. I get that it's a bit off topic but I think you could just as easily say that the composers you're favoring use extreme dissonance as a crutch. That's certainly NOT my opinion. I'm just pointing out they Carter fills a very important place in the 20th C. Different composers brought different elements to the table. Carter's music is dissonant and lyrical and definitely very important.

No, I just mean in the context of this thread. He's usually too romantically lyrical for me, to be "hard edged". I certainly like his music a lot, don't get me wrong. I don't doubt his importance either

OccultHawk · 05-27-2017, 02:27 AM

I get you. Yeah I knew I was flying off topic.

I know Carter got a lot of love, especially when he turned 100 but I still feel like he's under appreciated. I'm pretty sure you know more about him than I do so I shouldn't be lecturing. He's my dude lol.

DON'T **** WITH ELLIOTT CARTER!!!

Spectralmusic · 05-27-2017, 02:28 AM

The perfect blend of aggressive Vareseian percussion, Messiaen-esque organ and Japanese music!

Spectralmusic · 05-27-2017, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I get you. Yeah I knew I was flying off topic.

I know Carter got a lot of love, especially when he turned 100 but I still feel like he's under appreciated. I'm pretty sure you know more about him than I do so I shouldn't be lecturing. He's my dude lol.

DON'T **** WITH ELLIOTT CARTER!!!

Yes, he is underappreciated in general, spread the love/word!

rostasi · 05-27-2017, 09:02 AM

Apart from most of those already mentioned,
I'd add Hermann Nitsch, Gloria Coates,
Yannis Kyriakides, Jean-Claude Eloy,
Ana-Maria Avram, Iancu Dumitrescu,
Giacinto Scelsi, Costin Miereanu,
Hanne Darboven, Martin Davorin Jagodic,
Horațiu Rădulescu, Jani Christou,
James Tenney, Claude Vivier, Roland Kayn,
Gérard Grisey, Olga Neuwirth, Beat Furrer,
Salvatore Sciarrino, Helmut Lachenmann,
Wolfgang Rihm, Isabel Mundry, Peter Ablinger,
Matthias Pintscher, Hanspeter Kyburz,
and a whole bunch more that get
played around the house here.

OccultHawk · 05-27-2017, 10:29 AM

Dude if I lose my job and home please house me. I won't say a word. I'll clean your place. And I'll definitely let you choose the music!

OccultHawk · 05-27-2017, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Spectralmusic

I'll start with the maverick, Edgard Varese:

This is a tense work with a lot of outbursts

The New York Philharmonic released that together with music from ELLIOTT CARTER!!!

rostasi · 05-27-2017, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Dude if I lose my job and home please house me. I won't say a word. I'll clean your place. And I'll definitely let you choose the music!

You don't have to do anything so drastic once I get my "rodcast" going again this summer. I can set up a playlist just for you.

OccultHawk · 05-27-2017, 03:57 PM

Yeah but I'm saying like if I can't pay my rent- yo.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I get you. Yeah I knew I was flying off topic. I know Carter got a lot of love, especially when he turned 100 but I still feel like he's under appreciated. I'm pretty sure you know more about him than I do so I shouldn't be lecturing. He's my dude lol. DON'T **** WITH ELLIOTT CARTER!!!

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