Midiflipping

Lisnaholic · 03-15-2017, 11:17 AM

Just come across this intriguing concept on YouTube: take a piece of music and flip all the ups and downs - well, this guy explains it properly:-

And here's another well-known piece, midiflipped:-

The Fur Elise sounds familiar but strange at the same time, doesn't it?
I wonder if anybody else has comments, examples or interest in this process.

Stephen · 03-15-2017, 04:57 PM

Interesting concept. I could see it being used as a composition tool playing things inverted to get new ideas. I guess with midi you could apply all sorts of mathematical formulas to a piece to see the results.

Lisnaholic · 03-17-2017, 06:49 AM

Yes, that's true. It could just be another step in the creative process, rather like Eno's Stuck-in-the-Studio box of suggestion cards.

(Here are the cards, slightly over-explained, for anyone who hasn't heard of them):

grindy · 03-17-2017, 12:04 PM

Damn, that first video is impossible to watch due to douchebag voice overload.

Stephen · 03-17-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Damn, that first video is impossible to watch due to douchebag voice overload.

Lol I believe that is Pink Fluffy Unicorn guy.

~~Neward Thelman~~ · 05-12-2017, 10:10 PM

Hello Musically Uneducated Rockers:

The technique that causing you all of that amazement and astonishment is known as inversion. INVERSION.

It's been in use since before the 16th century, and it was frequently used during the Baroque - which is the music style that predominated during the 16 and 17th centuries [that'd be the 1500's and 1600's].

Some other common techniques used then and used now are retrograde motion, retrograde inversion, augmentation, diminution, and so on.

What's particularly sad is that YOU - people who grew up on rock and roll* and zero music education - are absolutely ignorant of these simple, elementary, kindergarden music techniques.

It's not completely your fault. Music education's been deleted from schools. Heck - I understand that they've now also deleted history and social studies from schools.

Not only do you folks here not know what inversion is, you probably don't know what the Civil War --- or the Cold War --- was. At least some of may've heard those terms - but you're not really sure what they mean.

What you're really, really good at is tech.

And - texting - tattoos, loud motorcycles, multiple dogs, piercings -----

*To be clear - the phrase "rock and roll" includes all of it's vile forms, from cowntry to cRap to techno to hard rock to harder rock to still harder rock to soft rock to medium rock, etc. etc.

Tristan_Geoff · 05-12-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Neward Thelman

Hello Musically Uneducated Rockers:

The technique that causing you all of that amazement and astonishment is known as inversion. INVERSION.

It's been in use since before the 16th century, and it was frequently used during the Baroque - which is the music style that predominated during the 16 and 17th centuries [that'd be the 1500's and 1600's].

Some other common techniques used then and used now are retrograde motion, retrograde inversion, augmentation, diminution, and so on.

What's particularly sad is that YOU - people who grew up on rock and roll* and zero music education - are absolutely ignorant of these simple, elementary, kindergarden music techniques.

It's not completely your fault. Music education's been deleted from schools. Heck - I understand that they've now also deleted history and social studies from schools.

Not only do you folks here not know what inversion is, you probably don't know what the Civil War --- or the Cold War --- was. At least some of may've heard those terms - but you're not really sure what they mean.

What you're really, really good at is tech.

And - texting - tattoos, loud motorcycles, multiple dogs, piercings -----

*To be clear - the phrase "rock and roll" includes all of it's vile forms, from cowntry to cRap to techno to hard rock to harder rock to still harder rock to soft rock to medium rock, etc. etc.

Jesus christ, aren't you a pretentious piece of ****?

The Identity Matrix · 05-12-2017, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Tristan Rosenstock

Jesus christ, aren't you a pretentious piece of ****?

Not only that but i'm pretty sure he is wrong on a lot of those points.... however I grew up on Rock and roll which makes me a "Checks post"

"A musically uneducated rocker"

This dude is a troll. Move along

~~Neward Thelman~~ · 05-12-2017, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix

Not only that but i'm pretty sure he is wrong on a lot of those points

This dude is a troll. Move along

All of the points I've made are simple, kindergarden music education. There's nothing advanced or abstruse about inversion, retrograde motion, etc. Those are basic, basic concepts. You either know them - or you don't.

So, exactly which point are wrong?

Inversion? Augmentation? What? That they exist? Or, that you can't grasp even those ultra-simple music concept?

The Baroque period occuring during the 16th and 17th centuries? That's pretty much a fact. You think that's wrong?

What else was there? Oh - fundamentals of music no longer being taught in schools. OK- maybe there're still 2 or 3 schools in the entire USA that still teach it - but - overall - it's gone/

That's about it for the facts that I posted. So, which of those make you think that there's some mistake?

Oh - the "think" part. Got it.

The Identity Matrix · 05-12-2017, 11:29 PM

You have zero comprehension of what makes up modern music and rock in general do you?

I bet you found all of those facts on a wikipedia page somewhere looking for a place to troll. Why don't you have conversation instead of being a, to quote Tristan here, a pretentious piece of ****?

03-15-2017, 11:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Midiflipping Just come across this intriguing concept on YouTube: take a piece of music and flip all the ups and downs - well, this guy explains it properly:- And here's another well-known piece, midiflipped:- The Fur Elise sounds familiar but strange at the same time, doesn't it? I wonder if anybody else has comments, examples or interest in this process. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

03-17-2017, 06:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Yes, that's true. It could just be another step in the creative process, rather like Eno's Stuck-in-the-Studio box of suggestion cards. (Here are the cards, slightly over-explained, for anyone who hasn't heard of them): __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

03-17-2017, 12:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	Damn, that first video is impossible to watch due to douchebag voice overload. __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*

05-12-2017, 10:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~Neward Thelman~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2017 Location: The greater Chicago metropolitan area Posts: 23	It's Called INVERSION Hello Musically Uneducated Rockers: The technique that causing you all of that amazement and astonishment is known as inversion. INVERSION. It's been in use since before the 16th century, and it was frequently used during the Baroque - which is the music style that predominated during the 16 and 17th centuries [that'd be the 1500's and 1600's]. Some other common techniques used then and used now are retrograde motion, retrograde inversion, augmentation, diminution, and so on. What's particularly sad is that YOU - people who grew up on rock and roll* and zero music education - are absolutely ignorant of these simple, elementary, kindergarden music techniques. It's not completely your fault. Music education's been deleted from schools. Heck - I understand that they've now also deleted history and social studies from schools. Not only do you folks here not know what inversion is, you probably don't know what the Civil War --- or the Cold War --- was. At least some of may've heard those terms - but you're not really sure what they mean. What you're really, really good at is tech. And - texting - tattoos, loud motorcycles, multiple dogs, piercings ----- *To be clear - the phrase "rock and roll" includes all of it's vile forms, from cowntry to cRap to techno to hard rock to harder rock to still harder rock to soft rock to medium rock, etc. etc.

03-15-2017, 04:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Stephen I sleep in your hat Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Melbourne, Vic. Aus. Posts: 1,847	Interesting concept. I could see it being used as a composition tool playing things inverted to get new ideas. I guess with midi you could apply all sorts of mathematical formulas to a piece to see the results.