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Old 01-04-2017, 06:12 PM   #311 (permalink)
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I think that you two that before wrote "I'm totally disagree" now are writing, in a different way, what I'm saying lol

1blankmind, classical music can emit the emotion even if the actors are not present, like the opening scene of Forrest Gump
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:16 PM   #312 (permalink)
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Ok this according your point of view, I'm talking about what producers actually do.

take me some examples of trailer/teaser/entire scenes of a movies that want to encrease the emotional stuff with a different genre (don't take me the trailer of Suicide Squad please that its juxtaposition of a song in a different situation became a trend).

Usually metal is also used in action movies, but a genre to a genre.

All trailers use an audio language that is performed by orchestra or that it followed the print of classical music. (James Horner,the composer of Titanic soundtrack for example takes inspirations by classical composer like Prokofiev or Wagner and mix their sound with electronic instruments)

The audio track used for the first time in the trailer of Spiderman 2 by Sam Raimi, that epic track with the usual "beat" in sequence, this type of "soundtrack" is arleady used in ALMOST ALL movies and videogames trailer.
And you can't do it with a different music genre.

All the most famous movies' soundtrack are modern classical music as genre, Star Wars, Jaws, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones
, Inception, Harry Potter etc..

It's a standard yeah, because it works and it's totally revelant.. so Frownland, you are agree with me saying that lol
John Williams (the composer, not John Williams the classical guitar player) wrote the score for Star Wars, Jaws, Jurassic Park (I,II), Indian Jones.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:20 PM   #313 (permalink)
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John Williams (the composer, not John Williams the classical guitar player) wrote the score for Star Wars, Jaws, Jurassic Park (I,II), Indian Jones.
Eh I know dude and I like a lot his works!
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take me some examples of trailer/teaser/entire scenes of a movies that want to encrease the emotional stuff with a different genre (don't take me the trailer of Suicide Squad please that its juxtaposition of a song in a different situation became a trend).
I read it (and the rest of your post I quoted here reads that way too) as if you were saying classical music was the standard because it is more effective than other genres, which isn't true.

Here's some movies with a nonclassical soundtrack
A Streetcar Named Desire
Dead Man
Anatomy of a Murder
Inside Llewyn Davis
Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas
Naked Lunch
Trainspotting
Etc.
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Scotland, Pa. brought "Mac Beth" to the 70s and set it to a soundtrack consisting only of Bad Company songs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I read it (and the rest of your post I quoted here reads that way too) as if you were saying classical music was the standard because it is more effective than other genres, which isn't true.

Here's some movies with a nonclassical soundtrack
A Streetcar Named Desire
Dead Man
Anatomy of a Murder
Inside Llewyn Davis
Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas
Naked Lunch
Trainspotting
Etc.
Okay you did interesting examples, for sure you have good taste in movies, but I have something to say about them.

During the 60's Jazz had the main role in the cinema, and obviously if you have to do a movie about american gangstar is better jazz or ragtime than classical, or you can do a movie about gangster and put it Beethoven and make A Clockwork Orange 2.0

Anyway, all the movies that you names (all fantastic movies) are not commercial movies (except the 60's ones)
But you know that if I have to do a list of movies that use classical music to strenghten their stories, mine'll be bigger.

But Frownland I'm defending classical music not because I'm a classical music lover, but because nowadays all commercial movies and trailer of those movies push a lot in the audio language and the emotional contagion, in which audio has a really important role.. and the 80% of the case directors diceded to emit feels through classical music. But this is not my point of view, it's what the producers are doing (and it's the second time that I'm saying this).
Yeah there are a lot of movies around, seriously a lot, and it's impossible, objectively talking, that all movies have the same musical genre as soundtrack, but I started talking about marketing and I have to show you that in this mudhole called marketing the use of some classical track is almost a must, please go and watch the trailers of the last commercial movies, you can see from yourself that the tracks are quite similar.

However this thread doesn't talk about the difference between classical music and other genres or if movies have or not another genres as soundtrack (even if I was talking about the emit of feels through classical music in fact I did the example of the opening scene of Forrest Gump that explain very well what I'm saying) but if classical musical is revelant nowadays.
And well it is.

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I don't know this movie
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But you know that if I have to do a list of movies that use classical music to strenghten their stories, mine'll be bigger.
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But Frownland I'm defending classical music not because I'm a classical music lover, but because nowadays all commercial movies and trailer of those movies push a lot in the audio language and the emotional contagion, in which audio has a really important role.. and the 80% of the case directors diceded to emit feels through classical music. But this is not my point of view, it's what the producers are doing (and it's the second time that I'm saying this).
Yeah there are a lot of movies around, seriously a lot, and it's impossible, objectively talking, that all movies have the same musical genre as soundtrack, but I started talking about marketing and I have to show you that in this mudhole called marketing the use of some classical track is almost a must, please go and watch the trailers of the last commercial movies, you can see from yourself that the tracks are quite similar.

However this thread doesn't talk about the difference between classical music and other genres, but if classical musical is revelant nowadays.
And well it is.
I'm aware of how ubiquitous it is in the industry. I just think it's so for arbitrary reasons. Rock, jazz, folk, electronica, and really any other genre can be used just as successfully as classical. I quite love classical music, it's just not the be all end all of soundtracks.
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1blankmind, classical music can emit the emotion even if the actors are not present, like the opening scene of Forrest Gump
Not what I was saying. My point was that classical is a genre that will emit emotion while not stealing the scene from the actors. Not that it needs a scene to emit emotion.

All genres emit emotion. Like R.E.M.'s losing my religion emits a sad emotion.
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I don't know this movie
It's really a shame that not only Classical music is often overlooked, but also movie adaptions of famous English writers like William Shakespeare. The movie is based on Macbeth and takes place in Scotland, Pa. - in a restaurant called "McBeth's." It ... has... Christopher Walken ... in it.


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