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Burning Down 02-11-2012 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1153311)
One of my very favorite composers, and my favorite if we're going back to his era and the two that surround it (I know they're something like Baroque, Classical, and Romantic, but i don't know the order). Especially his organ pieces. I've heard there's a ton of symbolism in his composition as well, "numerically and religiously."
That is the order, actually. Good job :)

Yes, Bach used a lot of symbolism in his music. He also used a motif that spelled out his name, in his music - in American notation, the notes are Bb A C B. Of course, Bach was German, and in German notation, Bb is "B" and B is "H". So the motif to him would be the notes B A C H. This is evident in the Art of Fugue and also in the beginning of his Sinfonia in F minor - though the motif is transposed down one whole tone in this piece (it's Ab G Bb A), it's still the same.

BACH motif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TockTockTock 02-12-2012 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1153452)
That is the order, actually. Good job :)

Yes, Bach used a lot of symbolism in his music. He also used a motif that spelled out his name, in his music - in American notation, the notes are Bb A C B. Of course, Bach was German, and in German notation, Bb is "B" and B is "H". So the motif to him would be the notes B A C H. This is evident in the Art of Fugue and also in the beginning of his Sinfonia in F minor - though the motif is transposed down one whole tone in this piece (it's Ab G Bb A), it's still the same.

BACH motif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Would you mind sharing a few examples?

Also, Art of Fugue is one of my favorite works of his, and it's rather interesting to see that he used a motif to spell out his name. Very clever. :laughing:

ThePhanastasio 02-18-2012 12:21 AM
babbychick, post a welcome thread or some ish. You seem cool, but I wanna make sure you're not a bot before I sing your praises. :laughing:

Surell 03-05-2012 06:44 PM
oh that clever bastard. But how exactly does religious symbolism work in a non lyrical medium? Numerical as well, but i could sort of see that more easily since composition requires time signature writing and whatnot.

TockTockTock 03-25-2012 03:37 PM
I'm still in awe at The Art of Fugue...

All of the melodies in each Contrapuntus seem so different (almost contrastingly so) and jumbled up, and yet... they still make a completely coherent piece of music. Wonderful mix of complexity, beauty, and innovation. Truly one of the best Baroque-era classical works I have ever listened to.

Highly recommended.

pulpcult 04-01-2012 10:33 AM
Hmm I'd like to get into classical, is this something I should approach as a classical newbie!?

Burning Down 04-01-2012 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1153564)


Would you mind sharing a few examples?

Also, Art of Fugue is one of my favorite works of his, and it's rather interesting to see that he used a motif to spell out his name. Very clever. :laughing:
Sure, and since you know the Art of Fugue, you will probably know the last Contrapunctus (#14, Fuga a 3 Soggetti, BWV 1080), which was unfinished. The subject of this fugue, which you will hear at the beginning, is the BACH motif. It's amazing that he could just put his signature right into the music!

TockTockTock 04-03-2012 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pulpcult (Post 1172396)
Hmm I'd like to get into classical, is this something I should approach as a classical newbie!?
As far as first-timers of Bach are concerned... I would suggest Glenn Gould's cover of the Goldberg Variations. (I speak from experience).

lecterz12 04-18-2012 08:24 AM
hey! give me some of those delicous songs from bach!!! XD plssss u have any links??

Burning Down 04-18-2012 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by lecterz12 (Post 1179459)
hey! give me some of those delicous songs from bach!!! XD plssss u have any links??
Just look up JS Bach on YouTube. Bingo.


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