Modern classical?? (jazz, rock, Europe, concert, orchestra)

[ddpeaks]

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modern classical? Talking about Tubular Bells and such like? What are your views? Is there such a thing as "modern" classical or do you consider it to be blasphemy???

[riseagainstrocks]

I think the term classical refers to older kinda music but I like the soft mood stuff and tubular bells as well. guess its just a matter of what you consider classical to mean

[Sharon]

Blasphemy?

Bit harsh.

"Classical" is such an ambiguous term anyway. It's applied to anything that doesn't fit into a regular slot, either that or "Contemporary".

I love all kinds of music, including traditional classics and new ones.

For a real treat you should listen to Malcom McLaren's take on Delibes' Flower Duet. It's called Aria on Air.

[BlackFOXmusicBOX]

To Classical musicians there are modern classical composers, if that i what y ou want to call them. Modern classical composers write music in the way the real CLASSICAL composers did, such as Beethoven, Chopin, etc. If you would like to hear what modern classical composers sound like, I suggest you listen to anything by Sergei Prokofiev, Clause Debussy (he wrote Claire de Lune, in case you know that one), and Cyril Scott.

[Escoloney_182]

just wondering if anybody knows what category enya comes under?

[merula]

Enya comes under the category 'BIN' lol,

Modern classical, I haven't heard anyone use that term.

Contemporary music is often used to describe music composed by living composers on classical instruments, or in classical form, e.g symphony, concerto, suite etc....


Often though conteporary composers are drawing reference from popuar, traditional, jazz and other music so the styles of writing are less defined. Breaking away from types of harmony that were used specifically in certain era's, e.g baroque, early nineteenth century music from vienna etc..

I think the classic fm publicity machine along with a lot of the classical music interest mags are a tthe moment trying to sell a lot of young artists as cool and modern classical or chic and fresh, but most of the music they are singing or playing is hundreds of years old.


bla bla bla,

I could go on for hours.

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www.matthewmcallister.com

[davidMC1982]

I believe the term is "New Classical." This refers to people/groups such as Vanessa Mae, Bond, Maksim, Amici Forever et al. I actually quite like it all, if only because it introduces people to some of the classics that would otherwise go unheard except among hardened followers.

Dave

[jamespatterson]

tubular bells can be a little harsh at times

[demaag]

Composers of contemporary music often try to make a 'classical orchestra'
to play their music. This is required by the fact that in choosing the
programme of a concert, organizers try to mix some classical and contemporary
music to attract the public. This creates the absurd situation
in which instruments as violins, flutes, etc. specifically created to play
old classical music, should produce 'sounds' which are not supposed to
emit.
I think that classical music has been already explored and composed. Now is
time to invent something new, not having anything to do with the old style
and rules. Look at the opera : there is no thing as a 'modern opera'.
Great theatres in all the world will go on forever using that group of beautiful
musics composed up to Puccini, and nothing more.

[yurshta]

Originally Posted by demaag

Composers of contemporary music often try to make a 'classical orchestra'
to play their music. This is required by the fact that in choosing the
programme of a concert, organizers try to mix some classical and contemporary
music to attract the public. This creates the absurd situation
in which instruments as violins, flutes, etc. specifically created to play
old classical music, should produce 'sounds' which are not supposed to
emit.
I think that classical music has been already explored and composed. Now is
time to invent something new, not having anything to do with the old style
and rules. Look at the opera : there is no thing as a 'modern opera'.
Great theatres in all the world will go on forever using that group of beautiful
musics composed up to Puccini, and nothing more.

The Rock Album KISS Symphony is an example of a major symphony orchestra backing up KISS and orchestrating KISS songs. Don't get me wrong, I like metal and KISS is great, as KISS playing the music themselves. But the orchestration of their music sounded downright stupid, horrible and just plain weird. It was not good music, it was not effective and the styles did not complement each other. All in all, the hundreds of hours spent on the project were a waste and could have been spent doing something better. At any rate, that kind of crap is NOT Neo-Classical.

Where I disagree with Demaag is his opinion that the older styles like Baroque, Classical, Romantic are caput, finished and there's nothing to say in those genres. My website musicofthegods.com named Neo-Classical Jazz is my attempt to prove that these older genres are not at all dead, but alive, vibrant and eternal. But maybe I'm wrong. Who knows? Music scores for modern films utilize quite a bit of older genres and movies and movie composers aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The Classical is the foundation of all quality Western music [except for that which is of African influence or origin--which is not saying that African music or rhythms are any less vibrant or alive. In fact, it was for the good that Western music got a kick in their lazy butts by the vital and down to earth rhythms of African music] Asian music has yet to make an equally huge impact on the West as the music of Africa, but in time, will surely do so. The big influence has been West influencing the East, and quite a few of the big name virtuosos of cello, piano, violin as well as some serious composers have come out of Japan in the recent years. Japan is really going places music wise, and hope to revisit Japan in the next year or so and connect with some contacts in the gaming world there. Invent something new? Short of stupid modern fads which come and go like the ephemeral phantoms they are, and short of the invention of a totally new class of instruments, I really don't think anything substantially new is going to exist, but rather just reshapings and rehashings of old styles. Perhaps if humankind exists long enough to encounter alien races who have a totally different approach to music (if they even have music) then planet Earth will be graced with something that is really, genuine NEW and nothing like anything that has gone before, but then that's because it is otherworldly.

Modern science is built on the foundation of the old sciences, even the pseudosciences like Astrology and Alchemy, so is modern philosophy which stands on the graves of dead and defunct philosophies. Religion, of course, goes nowhere because it is an aberration of the mind, a mental illness, a con-game for dupes and wastoids. Modern music stands on a foundation that goes back at least to the Middle Ages, but then the popular music of the Middle-Ages which also was a huge influence, this "dirty" music as the church called it has connections probably (but not provably) back to ancient Greece and Rome. I would that I could travel in time and hear the ancient music of Egypt, Greece, Rome and Israel the land of my ancient ancestors, because that would be so alien to our modern music as something from another planet. But we do know that the Greeks invented the scalar modes which are easily remembered by the mnemonic "I Don't Play Like My Aunt Liz" so their music was probably of higher level of advancement than the religious music of the Middle Ages. This is probable, but I can't prove it as next to nothing from the ancient world (musically) survives except lyrics. Many Hebrew words in the Psalms reflect things like chorus, modes, stanza, repeats and the meaning of most of these musical terms are lost forever. Only the lyrics survive, but at least during the time of David and Solomon the music must have been highly advanced as the Bible records large groups of professional musicians who sang this music on lutes, drums, lyres, flutes and other primitive instruments.

What joy to hear the court music or coronation psalms during Solomon's time (and very likely this music had significant influence from the other middle-eastern cultures.) Surviving music of a primitive sort I've heard in Iraq, Syria and Jordan and among the Palestinian muslims is very likely the closest thing I'll ever hear to this ancient type of music. Now that's something new!

But enough said. So long, have a nice weekend.