pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 07-06-2015, 06:13 AM

it's performance art

i say music should be recognizable/enjoyable in audio format only

which 4:33 isn't

if you found a tape with a recording of that on it with no context given, you wouldn't know whether it was a song or just some audio footage from a surveillance system

where as if you found a tape with some avant garde bs on it... even some frownland tier avant garde tomfoolery... you would probably be able to recognize it as an attempt at music just from the audio alone

at the end of the day art is meant to convey some sort of emotional message... and we break it down into categories based mostly on the way in which that message is presented

the only way we contextualize 4:33 is by the fact that we sit there watching the orchestra not play music

that's the only way the message gets transmitted that what is happening even qualifies as art

thus no visual = no 4:33

thus 4:33 is performance art not music

frownland lied to all of you

now where's my trophy?

#trump2016

Plankton · 07-06-2015, 08:25 AM

I think the real issue here is capitalization.

Machine · 07-06-2015, 08:25 AM

Not this again. Yeah its music.

**Goofle** · 07-06-2015, 08:47 AM

It probably is music. It's just not music worth wasting your time with.

Key · 07-06-2015, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i say music should be recognizable/enjoyable in audio format only

which 4:33 isn't

Agreed.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 10:05 AM

Ja, this is a very old and tired argument. So how about we talk about some of John Cage's other works? Did you guys know that Cage was also a painter? This is his most infamous and controversial painting, titled 12"x18". Personally, I find it genius because most paintings force their audiences to focus on the painting itself, while beauty does not only exist in the frames of a canvas. By removing the focus from the artist's ego and accentuating the wall behind the painting and the negative space in between the viewer and the piece, Cage successfully pointed out that there is more to art than what we conventionally recognize. My favourite part about the painting is that it is different in every location; no two viewings will be the same. Some will be amazing, some will be boring. Brilliant piece of art imo, and if you don't want to call it art, you're plain wrong.

Key · 07-06-2015, 10:09 AM

^all I see is a blank canvas? Is that the painting?

Plankton · 07-06-2015, 10:10 AM

it's a polar bear in a snow storm

Key · 07-06-2015, 10:11 AM

Well whatever it is, its not art. I don't see how that can be considered art.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 10:12 AM

Art is whatever the artist says it is. That is inarguable imo. Whether or not it's good is another situation entirely.

07-06-2015, 06:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music it's performance art i say music should be recognizable/enjoyable in audio format only which 4:33 isn't if you found a tape with a recording of that on it with no context given, you wouldn't know whether it was a song or just some audio footage from a surveillance system where as if you found a tape with some avant garde bs on it... even some frownland tier avant garde tomfoolery... you would probably be able to recognize it as an attempt at music just from the audio alone at the end of the day art is meant to convey some sort of emotional message... and we break it down into categories based mostly on the way in which that message is presented the only way we contextualize 4:33 is by the fact that we sit there watching the orchestra not play music that's the only way the message gets transmitted that what is happening even qualifies as art thus no visual = no 4:33 thus 4:33 is performance art not music frownland lied to all of you now where's my trophy? #trump2016

07-06-2015, 08:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
Plankton Just Keep Swimming... Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: See signature... Posts: 7,765	I think the real issue here is capitalization. __________________ See location...

07-06-2015, 08:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Machine moon lake inc. Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Detroit Posts: 2,125	Not this again. Yeah its music. __________________ boost my ego listen to me stroke my delay pedal ever wanted to hear death grips songs... but they're acoustic? me neither.

07-06-2015, 10:05 AM	#6 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Ja, this is a very old and tired argument. So how about we talk about some of John Cage's other works? Did you guys know that Cage was also a painter? This is his most infamous and controversial painting, titled 12"x18". Personally, I find it genius because most paintings force their audiences to focus on the painting itself, while beauty does not only exist in the frames of a canvas. By removing the focus from the artist's ego and accentuating the wall behind the painting and the negative space in between the viewer and the piece, Cage successfully pointed out that there is more to art than what we conventionally recognize. My favourite part about the painting is that it is different in every location; no two viewings will be the same. Some will be amazing, some will be boring. Brilliant piece of art imo, and if you don't want to call it art, you're plain wrong. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x Last edited by Frownland; 07-06-2015 at 12:22 PM.

07-06-2015, 10:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
Plankton Just Keep Swimming... Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: See signature... Posts: 7,765	it's a polar bear in a snow storm __________________ See location...

07-06-2015, 10:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^all I see is a blank canvas? Is that the painting?

07-06-2015, 10:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Well whatever it is, its not art. I don't see how that can be considered art.

07-06-2015, 10:12 AM	#10 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Art is whatever the artist says it is. That is inarguable imo. Whether or not it's good is another situation entirely. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x