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07-06-2015, 02:47 PM | #51 (permalink) | |
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I took Frownie's post seriously at first too. And I was going to say something, but quickly learned it was Frownlandhumour. So I didn't reply.
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07-06-2015, 02:59 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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For the same reason that we didn't liquidate the term "painting" because of people like Pollock and Rauschenberg. It doesn't necessarily comply with convention, but that doesn't push it out of the range of an umbrella term.
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What exactly makes 4'33 music rather than just art?
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07-06-2015, 03:21 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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Also I guess if this is actually happening yeah we might as well go back to the thread of redundant arguments. |
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07-06-2015, 03:22 PM | #57 (permalink) | |
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And? The composition may as well not exist. If the players were staring at actual blank pieces of paper, the result would be the same, making the composition of 4'33 a completely pointless exercise, except as an intellectual statement.
How is that music as opposed to simply art about music? Your arguments were just as circular, just more pretentious: "It's music because it's called music", and "It's music because it was composed".
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Frown, it's the Family Sleeping Peacefully argument. You find art and music in such weird places that it's virtually impossible to know when you're not being serious. I mean, if anyone --- anyone --- else had said that about the painting I would have assumed it was a joke. You, not so much. If someone else said "I broke all the strings off my guitar and then played a solo. It was so avant-garde!" I would laugh with them. If you said it, I'd assume you were being serious. As I said, your pretentious nature precludes anything you say being too ludicrous to be actually serious, so I never know when you're joking. Had I assumed the painting was a joke, and it turned out not to be, you'd be all up in my face about "how do I know what's art?" and so on. So I assumed you were in earnest. Absolutely no way to know, as several people here have already pointed out. I don't really care: just stop telling me I can't detect humour or sarcasm when, when applied to you, this can be literally impossible at times. Edit: also, does nobody else think that if someone were to come across this 4:33 on a video or DVD and played it, not being aware of its existence, that they might start fiddling with the volume on their telly thinking it was broken?
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07-06-2015, 03:30 PM | #60 (permalink) | |
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In other news I'm trying to make dance music entirely out of white noise from a TV right now |
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