pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

So now you're telling me that painting is a joke? As Batty in his guise of Droltab the Repugnant said in YorkeDaddy's journal, do you even listen to yourself sometimes?

I understood what he was saying. He was using visual art as a metaphor for how 4'33 was music. It wasn't that complicated.

And JWB does bring up a good point. If you had no idea what 4'33 was, and just stumbled upon a recording of it, with no orchestra to observe, you would never understand that it was supposed to be music and not just a blank tape. If you have to be told that it's music...

It's performance art.

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Originally Posted by Machine

It was actually really fun for long time and then we had the naysayers come in and ruin the fun. Oh well.

So, the people with the different opinions, then. Gotcha. Cause that's what art is all about. Agreement.

**Goofle** · 07-06-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Frownland, as Ki says you're the biggest hipster going, so god knows what you would consider art, or music. There is nothing in your post to indicate that is a joke. Anyone else, yes. You, no. I would quite easily believe a man who can listen to four minutes and thirty three seconds of silence and call it music could look at a blank canvas, a mirror or a broken tile and call it art. Your reputation both precedes you and undoes you.

Oh, and once again, I wasn't the only one who took it seriously so your joke fell totally flat. Price of being pretentious.

Neapolitan · 07-06-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The fact that I would post something like that is part of the joke in itself. It's a drier form of humour.

As I've said many times before, if you have to ask yourself if I'm joking, I probably am. Taking me seriously is a rookie mistake.

I don't like to explain jokes. Rather than explaining it, I'll take the dead air. Four minutes and thirty three seconds of dead air.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I understood what he was saying. He was using visual art as a metaphor for how 4'33 was music. It wasn't that complicated.

And JWB does bring up a good point. If you had no idea what 4'33 was, and just stumbled upon a recording of it, with no orchestra to observe, you would never understand that it was supposed to be music and not just a blank tape. If you have to be told that it's music...

It's performance art.

I don't disagree with some people not being aware that it was a song in itself without knowing it, but the intention as music is what makes it music, and nothing else.

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So, the people with the different opinions, then. Gotcha. Cause that's what art is all about. Agreement.

People with opposing opinions is one thing, people simply reiterating "no it isn't" in response to people who actually backed up their claims ad nauseam is another.

grtwhtgrvty · 07-06-2015, 02:22 PM

Ugh you guys it does have artistic commentary on many levels. I think he was partially trying to show the power and remind us of the validity of silence and space in music. It's about showing us the extreme of that. It's also about the nuance that classical composers and musicians often talk about, except it's not about the nuance in their instruments, but in the world around them. Everyone gets annoyed when they hear outside noises interrupting the music but what if every little annoyance is what you were meant to focus on, and what if you can allow that to interfere with the music in a way that you welcome?

Music is defined as sound in time. Obviously it doesn't take any compositional or musical talent to come up with 4'33, but even if it isn't being audibly displayed, there is rhythm, and the sound is supposed to be every little nuance around you. It's more of a tongue in cheek reminder that silence and space are important aspects of music in a society that jams its music full of every possible and that the nuance around you can bolster your musical experience instead of detracting from it.

Key · 07-06-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-deprecation

Learn to humour.

If that was a joke, it was a terrible one, as I also thought you were being serious.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

If that was a joke, it was a terrible one, as I also thought you were being serious.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Learn to humour.

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Machine · 07-06-2015, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I understood what he was saying. He was using visual art as a metaphor for how 4'33 was music. It wasn't that complicated.

And JWB does bring up a good point. If you had no idea what 4'33 was, and just stumbled upon a recording of it, with no orchestra to observe, you would never understand that it was supposed to be music and not just a blank tape. If you have to be told that it's music...

It's performance art.

So, the people with the different opinions, then. Gotcha. Cause that's what art is all about. Agreement.

No I have nothing against argument, I have something against people using the same argument over and over again because they refuse to see the other side of the coin.

Machine · 07-06-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

People with opposing opinions is one thing, people simply reiterating "no it isn't" in response to people who actually backed up their claims ad nauseam is another.

Thank you.

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I don't disagree with some people not being aware that it was a song in itself without knowing it, but the intention as music is what makes it music, and nothing else.

People with opposing opinions is one thing, people simply reiterating "no it isn't" in response to people who actually backed up their claims ad nauseam is another.

Then why not do away with the term "music" altogether and just call it art if there's no qualification other than that the composer calls it music. You can say the same thing about art, and music is art, so just take out the middle man and call it art.

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grtwhtgrvty jiojoijoi Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 398	Ugh you guys it does have artistic commentary on many levels. I think he was partially trying to show the power and remind us of the validity of silence and space in music. It's about showing us the extreme of that. It's also about the nuance that classical composers and musicians often talk about, except it's not about the nuance in their instruments, but in the world around them. Everyone gets annoyed when they hear outside noises interrupting the music but what if every little annoyance is what you were meant to focus on, and what if you can allow that to interfere with the music in a way that you welcome? Music is defined as sound in time. Obviously it doesn't take any compositional or musical talent to come up with 4'33, but even if it isn't being audibly displayed, there is rhythm, and the sound is supposed to be every little nuance around you. It's more of a tongue in cheek reminder that silence and space are important aspects of music in a society that jams its music full of every possible and that the nuance around you can bolster your musical experience instead of detracting from it. Last edited by grtwhtgrvty; 07-06-2015 at 02:27 PM.