Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1610977)

Art is whatever the artist says it is. That is inarguable imo. Whether or not it's good is another situation entirely.

Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1610979)

So I can put a simple frame on my wall and call it art?

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1610973)

Ja, this is a very old and tired argument. So how about we talk about some of John Cage's other works? Did you guys know that Cage was also a painter? This is his most infamous and controversial painting, titled 12"x18". Personally, I find it genius because most paintings force their audiences to focus on the painting itself, while does not only exist in the frames of a canvas. By removing the focus from the artist's ego and accentuating the wall behind the painting and the negative space in between the viewer and the piece, Cage successfully pointed out that there is more to art than what we conventionally recognize. My favourite part about the painting is that it is different in every location; no two viewings will be the same. Some will be amazing, some will be boring. Brilliant piece of art imo, and if you don't want to call it art, you're plain wrong.

http://i.imgur.com/txYCKMa.jpg

Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1610979)

So I can put a simple frame on my wall and call it art? Not a chance.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1610988)

Why would it?

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1610993)

This is the kind of pretentious nonsense that annoys me about art. Art is what the artist says it is? So if I take a dump on a canvas and then say it represents the urban alienation of inner city tenement dwellers, that's art, is it? Jesus preserve me. :rolleyes: Be honest Frown: you only think this is art cos Cage did it. Anyone else and you'd be the same as most of us, thinking it was a blank canvas.

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1610993)

This is the kind of pretentious nonsense that annoys me about art. Art is what the artist says it is? So if I take a dump on a canvas and then say it represents the urban alienation of inner city tenement dwellers, that's art, is it? Jesus preserve me. :rolleyes: Be honest Frown: you only think this is art cos Cage did it. Anyone else and you'd be the same as most of us, thinking it was a blank canvas.

Also, as for 4:33, I always wondered (well, since I found out this "masterpiece" existed, about a few months ago) what happens if someone coughs, farts or talks during the performance? Does that then change it? How can silence be art? Bloody hipsters. :rolleyes:

And again:
:rolleyes: