pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

Key · 07-06-2015, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Art is whatever the artist says it is. That is inarguable imo. Whether or not it's good is another situation entirely.

So I can put a simple frame on my wall and call it art? Not a chance.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

So I can put a simple frame on my wall and call it art?

Yes. Whether or not you look stupid in the process doesn't affect the status as art.

Trollheart · 07-06-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja, this is a very old and tired argument. So how about we talk about some of John Cage's other works? Did you guys know that Cage was also a painter? This is his most infamous and controversial painting, titled 12"x18". Personally, I find it genius because most paintings force their audiences to focus on the painting itself, while does not only exist in the frames of a canvas. By removing the focus from the artist's ego and accentuating the wall behind the painting and the negative space in between the viewer and the piece, Cage successfully pointed out that there is more to art than what we conventionally recognize. My favourite part about the painting is that it is different in every location; no two viewings will be the same. Some will be amazing, some will be boring. Brilliant piece of art imo, and if you don't want to call it art, you're plain wrong.

More to the point, did you know he did a brief stint with NWOBHM-turned-AOR rockers The Tygers of Pan Tang? They were so impressed that they named their fourth album in his honour...

**Janszoon** · 07-06-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

So I can put a simple frame on my wall and call it art? Not a chance.

Why not?

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 10:40 AM

Why would it?

Key · 07-06-2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Why would it?

Because its stupid.

Trollheart · 07-06-2015, 10:44 AM

This is the kind of pretentious nonsense that annoys me about art. Art is what the artist says it is? So if I take a dump on a canvas and then say it represents the urban alienation of inner city tenement dwellers, that's art, is it? Jesus preserve me.

Be honest Frown: you only think this is art cos Cage did it. Anyone else and you'd be the same as most of us, thinking it was a blank canvas.

Also, as for 4:33, I always wondered (well, since I found out this "masterpiece" existed, about a few months ago) what happens if someone coughs, farts or talks during the performance? Does that then change it? How can silence be art? Bloody hipsters.

And again:

**Goofle** · 07-06-2015, 10:48 AM

I don't think there are too many people who consider it a masterpiece.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is the kind of pretentious nonsense that annoys me about art. Art is what the artist says it is? So if I take a dump on a canvas and then say it represents the urban alienation of inner city tenement dwellers, that's art, is it? Jesus preserve me.

Be honest Frown: you only think this is art cos Cage did it. Anyone else and you'd be the same as most of us, thinking it was a blank canvas.

Though if somebody had come out with that piece I wouldn't refuse to call it art. That's far more pretentious than any piece you might find yourself scoffing at.

Machine · 07-06-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is the kind of pretentious nonsense that annoys me about art. Art is what the artist says it is? So if I take a dump on a canvas and then say it represents the urban alienation of inner city tenement dwellers, that's art, is it? Jesus preserve me.

Be honest Frown: you only think this is art cos Cage did it. Anyone else and you'd be the same as most of us, thinking it was a blank canvas.

Also, as for 4:33, I always wondered (well, since I found out this "masterpiece" existed, about a few months ago) what happens if someone coughs, farts or talks during the performance? Does that then change it? How can silence be art? Bloody hipsters.

And again:

Well that's kinda that point, the sounds around the performers create the music.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,995	This is the kind of pretentious nonsense that annoys me about art. Art is what the artist says it is? So if I take a dump on a canvas and then say it represents the urban alienation of inner city tenement dwellers, that's art, is it? Jesus preserve me. Be honest Frown: you only think this is art cos Cage did it. Anyone else and you'd be the same as most of us, thinking it was a blank canvas. Also, as for 4:33, I always wondered (well, since I found out this "masterpiece" existed, about a few months ago) what happens if someone coughs, farts or talks during the performance? Does that then change it? How can silence be art? Bloody hipsters. And again: __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018