Terrible Avant-Garde/Experimental Artists
 

This is the thread wherein you talk shit on avant-garde music you don't like. I try to be pretty open minded when it comes to music, but there are many times when I'll listen to an artist and think "well this guy just sucks." Most of the time it's something that's gotten a lot of hype on Pitchfork and the likes, but sometimes it's an avant-garde band and I'm afraid whether or not I've missed the point. I'll usually return to it in those cases, but there are many times where I'm just sure that these people make shite music.

Opening example:



I have nothing bad to say about Zorn, his off-the-wall saxophonisms are great and this video is no exception. Yoko Fucking Ono is horrendous in this one, though. She sounds like Sainkho Namtchylak's retarded cousin getting attacked by a goat. Not even a threatening or dangerous animal, a fucking goat. John Zorn, you obviously have a lot of time on your hands since you release at least 15 albums a year, but fuck. You're John Zorn. You can jam with anyone you want who doesn't sound like a monkey with autism trying to speak Hmong.

tl;dr: What avant-garde artists do you think suck donkey balls?

Wow. That was terrible.
That's how I imagine all "experimental" singing sounds like to people who aren't into it.

My mind has transcended the space-time continuum. My body has abandoned its mortal shell to find itself in a tangent universe similar to hell, but there are a bunch of clowns there that tell horrible jokes and dance as you burn. I don't know whether to laugh, cringe or blow my brains out after listening to and watching that. My entire being feels traumatized.

Thanks... I think.

Really to be honest everything I've heard Yoko sing just blows huge ass no avant garde in my opinion just balls.

That John Cage asshole is...an asshole, too.

Yoko Ono sucks balls. My friends saw her at Fuji Rock this summer and cried (lol) at her performance because they were touched by her music. They're no longer my friends.

In other words, Yoko Ono is a douchebag, a donkey, a totally weiner face. Baby, she wants to pee in her panties.

I haven't heard much Scott Walker, but what I have heard I really dislike.

Oh man. THIS SUCKS!!

I quite like Bish Bosch to be honest.

It pains me to write this, since his work with Can makes him one of my favourite singers, but a lot of the stuff Damo Suzuki has been doing after Can is just terrible. Often his singing with his Network, as well as with some other bands and musicians, is just lazy. He sings exactly the same stuff all the time and he doesn't connect at all with the other musicians. There are still some good moments here and there, but with some of those albums I just wish they were instrumental.

Still love Yoko.

Love Scott Walker


HATE Mike Patton. He's a snotty fraud.

Never really understood the John Zorn circle jerk.

Naked City were entertaining for a short while as were Painkiller but I find most of his other stuff that I've heard just outright forgettable.

Give me some Soil & Pimp Sessions or Acoustic Ladyland over his tuneless drivel anyday.

Edit: Oh and Glenn 'I take the most boring part of a Sonic Youth song and drag it out over the course of a whole album' Branca can fuck off too

He's got a million different styles though.




That's not even the tip of the tip of the air above the iceberg.

Asshole's not the right word; Cage has a notoriety for being one of the more humble and nice composers in the music world. It's a shame that one composition has closed your mind to Cage though, he's made thousands of great classical compositions.

I've listened to at least 7 or 8 of his solo albums from the 80s to the present day (Not including Painkiller, Naked City or a few of his collaborations) and nothing on them did anything for me.
Collaborating with other artists, fine,
Him on his own, not really interested.

What'd you listen to? Personally, I find his Filmworks series underwhelming.

Zorn has recorded so much it's very hard to know what to make of him. Everyone says Masada and from what I've heard I agree. He plays on Peace on Earth - Prima Materia (Coltrane Tribute) with Rashied Ali which has to be the best thing he's managed to stick his nose into.

My favourite's Naked City and his classical bits (Madness, Love, and Mysticism, The Alchemist, On the Torment of Saints, the Casting of Spells and the Evocation of Spirits), but Masada's up there too. I've got to hear that record you mentioned, Rashied Ali's one of my all time favourites.

My memory is a little foggy on some of them but I know I've heard the Big Gundown, Spy vs Spy, one of his real early ones possibly Archery, Godard/Spillane and couple of filmworks albums and a couple that he released in the mid 2000s which names escape me because I didn't keep them.

I think listening to 12-15 albums of someone is a fair crack of the whip.

Sounds like you do have a good understanding of his music in that case. Idk how you feel about classical, but the three albums I've mentioned above in response to OccutHawk are really something else if you're ever in the mood to try him again.

Not sure if it counts as experimental because this is about as commercial as post rock gets, but I've always been completely unable to appreciate Explosions in the Sky.

You know, I'm really not into post-rock

Eh some is okay, a lot is **** though.

It's the punk of the avant-garde music world.

It's just, so much if it is just so ****ing bland and boring.

It's the punk of the avant-garde music world.

Yeh, I guess I'm being a bit redundant.

I've always been a fan of the eastern canadian post rock scene.

There is a lot of crap in the genre, but there's also bands like gy!be, swans, slint etc.

The issue is that even though post rock is supposed to be "experimental", so much of it is so derivative. I'd love to see more post rock with other more unorthodox (for the genre) influences. I'm totally down for a post folk album or something.

Flying Saucer Attack, look em up I'm sure you'll like it if you haven't heard of them already.

I've heard of them. What would be a good starter album?

I'd start with Furthur. It's a awesome blend of noise, post-rock, folk, dream pop, drone, and expiremental.

Great, I'll make a point of giving it a listen.

That's weird because your avatar screams post rock fan at me.

I like Post-Rock, but I'm still offended you compared it to Punk.
Maybe once we hit Post-Post-Rock things'll start getting interesting.

The only thing comparable about the two is the good to ****e ratio within the genre.

I'll give you that. I think you find that in most genres though. Especially Indie Rock *shudder*

Oh Indie Rock, you've gave me some great great bands, and also ones that were so painfully generic that I wanted then to kill themseleves.

The first time I heard about indie rock, i mentaly saw gandhi and some guru playing stairway to nirvana... Scared for life...

I like a lot of other boring music though.

I love Slint, but never referred to them as post-rock, I like Bark Psychosis, got around to listening to some new Swans, which is apparently post-rock, and pretty cool. I've never listened to GY!BE, I hear they're good.

New Swans sounds more Noise Rock, and Drone to me.

Either way, being stoned to the grave (as Acid Witch would say) definitely helped me get through To Be Kind. I'd usually only listen to one disc, same with The Seer, but baked as hell and I was really into gnarly crazy noise-wank, like Sonic Youth's long ones, and just wanted to hear it all.

Just krautrock and psychedelic noise rock, that's what happens when you get high, take note.