Terrible Avant-Garde/Experimental Artists

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-21-2014, 10:18 AM

Never really understood the John Zorn circle jerk.

Naked City were entertaining for a short while as were Painkiller but I find most of his other stuff that I've heard just outright forgettable.

Give me some Soil & Pimp Sessions or Acoustic Ladyland over his tuneless drivel anyday.

Edit: Oh and Glenn 'I take the most boring part of a Sonic Youth song and drag it out over the course of a whole album' Branca can fuck off too

**Frownland** · 12-21-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Never really understood the John Zorn circle jerk.

Naked City were entertaining for a short while as were Painkiller but I find most of his other stuff that I've heard just outright forgettable.

Give me some Soil & Pimp Sessions or Acoustic Ladyland over his tuneless drivel anyday.

He's got a million different styles though.

That's not even the tip of the tip of the air above the iceberg.

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That John Cage asshole is...an asshole, too.

Asshole's not the right word; Cage has a notoriety for being one of the more humble and nice composers in the music world. It's a shame that one composition has closed your mind to Cage though, he's made thousands of great classical compositions.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-21-2014, 10:28 AM

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That's not even the tip of the tip of the air above the iceberg.

I've listened to at least 7 or 8 of his solo albums from the 80s to the present day (Not including Painkiller, Naked City or a few of his collaborations) and nothing on them did anything for me.
Collaborating with other artists, fine,
Him on his own, not really interested.

**Frownland** · 12-21-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I've listened to at least 7 or 8 of his solo albums from the 80s to the present day (Not including Painkiller, Naked City or a few of his collaborations) and nothing on them did anything for me.
Collaborating with other artists, fine,
Him on his own, not really interested.

What'd you listen to? Personally, I find his Filmworks series underwhelming.

OccultHawk · 12-21-2014, 10:31 AM

Zorn has recorded so much it's very hard to know what to make of him. Everyone says Masada and from what I've heard I agree. He plays on Peace on Earth - Prima Materia (Coltrane Tribute) with Rashied Ali which has to be the best thing he's managed to stick his nose into.

**Frownland** · 12-21-2014, 10:34 AM

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Zorn has recorded so much it's very hard to know what to make of him. Everyone says Masada and from what I've heard I agree. He plays on Peace on Earth - Prima Materia (Coltrane Tribute) with Rashied Ali which has to be the best thing he's managed to stick his nose into.

My favourite's Naked City and his classical bits (Madness, Love, and Mysticism, The Alchemist, On the Torment of Saints, the Casting of Spells and the Evocation of Spirits), but Masada's up there too. I've got to hear that record you mentioned, Rashied Ali's one of my all time favourites.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-21-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What'd you listen to? Personally, I find his Filmworks series underwhelming.

My memory is a little foggy on some of them but I know I've heard the Big Gundown, Spy vs Spy, one of his real early ones possibly Archery, Godard/Spillane and couple of filmworks albums and a couple that he released in the mid 2000s which names escape me because I didn't keep them.

I think listening to 12-15 albums of someone is a fair crack of the whip.

**Frownland** · 12-21-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

My memory is a little foggy on some of them but I know I've heard the Big Gundown, Spy vs Spy, one of his real early ones possibly Archery, Godard/Spillane and couple of filmworks albums and a couple that he released in the mid 2000s which names escape me because I didn't keep them.

I think listening to 12-15 albums of someone is a fair crack of the whip.

Sounds like you do have a good understanding of his music in that case. Idk how you feel about classical, but the three albums I've mentioned above in response to OccutHawk are really something else if you're ever in the mood to try him again.

Mondo Bungle · 12-21-2014, 01:52 PM

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DeadChannel · 12-29-2014, 10:03 PM

Not sure if it counts as experimental because this is about as commercial as post rock gets, but I've always been completely unable to appreciate Explosions in the Sky.

12-21-2014, 10:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Never really understood the John Zorn circle jerk. Naked City were entertaining for a short while as were Painkiller but I find most of his other stuff that I've heard just outright forgettable. Give me some Soil & Pimp Sessions or Acoustic Ladyland over his tuneless drivel anyday. Edit: Oh and Glenn 'I take the most boring part of a Sonic Youth song and drag it out over the course of a whole album' Branca can fuck off too __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave. Last edited by Urban Hat€monger ?; 12-21-2014 at 10:23 AM.

12-21-2014, 10:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Zorn has recorded so much it's very hard to know what to make of him. Everyone says Masada and from what I've heard I agree. He plays on Peace on Earth - Prima Materia (Coltrane Tribute) with Rashied Ali which has to be the best thing he's managed to stick his nose into.

12-29-2014, 10:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
DeadChannel Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 1,259	Not sure if it counts as experimental because this is about as commercial as post rock gets, but I've always been completely unable to appreciate Explosions in the Sky.