Frownland

Your opinions on speed-influenced music would count for more if you had done it.

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MicShazam

Let's not forget that if I do finally cave in and listen to the album, all that would result from it would be you telling me that I've misunderstood the album and should listen to the collected works of bands X and Y to properly contextualize it, while Elphenor will tell me that my opinion on the album is nonsense and that he will henceforth make a point of belittling & disrespecting my musical opinions even harder.

Frownland

I mean, ja I probably would say that you didn't understand it if you didn't like it, but so far your justification has been pretty baseless given how there's very little that compares to that album. Like my Ramones analogy from earlier. It's like not listening to Black Sabbath because you don't like the synths that Nightwish uses. It's dumb.

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MicShazam

Well, I think it's a pretty good argument that I can't be expected to listen to every album that someone tells me is amazing. Just like I don't expect people to listen to whatever I consider the best albums of whatever genre. Literally all the time I've spent logged on to this forum today has been spent listening to new music. Like I said; it's always a tradeoff. Doing one thing means not doing another, because I can't do everything. How is that even a bad argument? I mean come on, do you even listen to anywhere near all the albums various people say are great? I doubt it. There's 24 hours in your days too.

So if I've heard a Velvet Underground album, heard various Lou Reed tracks, heard some Nico tracks a while ago, heard a lot of highly praised 60's and 70's rock - both more radio friendly and more arty material. Is it really any wonder I'm choosing to say "allright, enough is enough" at some point? I really doubt you or anyone would behave differently. I'm pretty sure I can't persuade you to listen to more of whatever I like that you don't like (so uhh, most of it, I guess). Just saying you and everyone else really has the same approach as me.

Frownland

Cop outs are not good arguments. What you're arguing here is just an empty way for you to write off anything that isn't already on the roster.

Also, I would definitely check out any album that is as important and oft-discussed as the VU & Nico just to have an idea of what everyone's talking about.

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Frownland

I mean sure, I believe that you believe that you have come to a good and informed decision on this. But here's the thing: you are not informed on this album and haven't made a justified decision on this.

Analogy time.

MicShazam: I don't like sushi.
Me: Bummer, where did you try it at?
MicShazam: Nah I haven't tried it because I've had fish sticks and didn't like them.
Me: Sushi is crazy different from fish sticks, you should still try it just to know.
MicShazam: I'm pretty comfortable with eating pizza, I'm just gonna stick to trying out new pizzas instead of eating something that I know I'll hate.
Me: How can you know that you'll hate it if your expectations are way different than what sushi is actually like?
MicShazam: Listen, I only have so much stomach, I can't just eat everything.
Me: *facedesk*

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MicShazam

No, because that roster is expanding semi daily and I'm already picking a pretty broad range of material and allowing for surprises plentifully. Every single thing that I've lined up to check out/listen to in full represents 100 things not being put on the list. I fail to see how any other approach is even possible. Unless you just start from the top like Trollheart is doing with the wiki list, which your all telling him is retarded.

This is all general and not specifically about this VU album.

About that specific album, it really isn't too weird that I'm not feeling a great deal of enthusiasm about the idea of listening to it. Pretty damn consistently, over the last 10 years, I've had little except a shrug to offer for all the supposedly important and fantastic 60's, 70's and 80's rock albums (including sub-genres, of course) that I have given a shot. I mean, would Elphenor listen to whatever I have to recommend? Not until hell freezes over. It's the same situation, uh, sort of. Except I have some actual respect for people who enjoy music that I don't tend to care much about

Frownland

I get that, but understand that THE VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO IS A SINGULAR ALBUM THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE OTHER CLASSIC ROCK ALBUMS OR ANY ALBUMS FOR THAT MATTER SO EVEN COMPARING THE ALBUM TO ALBUMS FROM BAND MEMBERS' DISCOGRAPHIES IS A MISNOMER.

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MicShazam

I wouldn't even say that I have. What I'm arguing is more accurately that sometimes making your decisions based likelihood an past experiences is a good approach. Just like I don't tend to go to clubs because I hated it all the previous times I went.

Yeah, well, Night of Hunters is nothing like any previous Tori Amos album, so go listen to that **** now.

Frownland

It's a good general rule but should be adjusted for contexts like these where basing it on your past experiences doesn't make any sense because it is different from any experience you've ever had.

Should I check out any previous ones first?

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