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How was it already established? It was pretty unconventional. The classical music theory is not well suited to describe the Blues. From that point of view, Blues is crazy and wrong - playing dominant major 7th chords all over minor pentatonic scales, using chromatic scale pieces for intros and turnarounds, using a 5 tone scale instead of the accustomed 7 tone scales, adding notes that don't belong to any scale.
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Furthermore, blues is extremely structural. In all fairness, it invented the pop structure, or early usage of it. HOWEVER, due to the fact it adheres to a strict ruleset, it's a genre, not a deviation of a genre. "that noise" is avant-garde music, and there is an intelligence to it. The thing is, however, it is experimental because it doesn't follow a common ruleset, but a ruleset invented specifically for itself. Blues follows the blues ruleset, therefore is not avant-garde. No offense, but you're coming into this thread with all mouth, and no ears, Blastinggas. On that note, an interesting factoid of Edgard Varese. He was an innovative composer, of course. Albeit, more owing to the futurists than he was willing to give credit for later on. However, he is the first ever in terms of inventing all percussion chamber pieces. Nobody before him ever did anything like this: essentially, he invented an entirely new language of composition when he wrote this piece. One of which is pretty much used up to today. |
I am talking about when blues were first being played, that's what i've been talking about the entire time. You admitted that it started as avant-garde, and that's the point I was trying to prove. Blues didn't follow the blues ruleset when it was first created, because there was no set of rules at the time. In the beginning, it was avant-garde, and that was my point.
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How about we talk about a form of music that wasn't, ok? Pre-WWII avant-garde composers are extremely underrated. They approached ideas, and concepts that mainstream music did not adopt really until the 80s(well, somewhat int he 60s), and since has adopted very VERY minimally. They were really pioneers in the sense of utilizing things that nobody would touch. Including sampling, usage of non-instrument devices in music, and electronics. Long before 60s psychedelic bands/producers, or 80s new wave bands made these concepts trendy. They even lead into early musique concrete that created music entirely off samples 50 years before hip-hop was beginning to gain a reputation for it. These guys were cutting edge, they were beyond cutting edge, to be honest. |
You belittle the other genres by saying "every genre starts as avant-garde", but for some reason that doesn't apply to these guys.
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All music has been a product of evolution, Whether it was the evolution of traditional music or the evolution of technology. Music isn't all about technical ability and experimenting, it's about feeling. And I honestly don't see how there is any feeling in that video above. Seems like its all about experimentation. |
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EDIT: Oh, and "Ionization" is a great song... Albeit, it's not my favorite piece by him, but it's definitely something to be admired. |
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Also, Blastinggas, the futurists were out to anger people. I imagine what you're saying about 'having feeling' is wrong. Imagine you played a Sex Pistols record do an 80 year old lady in the 70s. Then you ask her if it 'has feeling'... Same response. Same purpose, really. Does it make the Sex Pistols musically invalid, or is it you refusing to see the bigger picture? |
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