Favorite Avant-garde/Experimental Guitarist(s)

Mrd00d · 01-30-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I haven't heard everything Buckethead has done. When I think of experimental guitar work I'm thinking along these lines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb-GPdnfbyI (Keith Rowe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCbPuU-i4k (Lee Renaldo)

It's not like metal or prog or folk (nods to Fahey though) done weirder. It's totally in its own domain. From what I see from Buckethead, it's a hodgepodge of ideas thrown together with a lot of technical skill but even if it's short/ blended/ mixed and so on- show me something of his that is really in a different universe the way my picks are. But still there's another intangible, his music doesn't flip out my subconscience. Most of the 'experimental' stuff I like fills me with a deep sense of doom like seeing into my death. And I don't hate Buckethead, I get a kick out of him. But he doesn't have the power to leave me distorted and wrung out like Lee Renaldo and upset like I've been tripping too long and can't seem to shake it.

I caught them both. I see...

I feel like Buckethead explores those sounds that Rowe is exploring, using 2-3-4 finger stubbing and noodling. I found the whole operating table to be much, with all those instruments needed. It was intriguing, I'll give you that. But I believe the Buck wants to be able to make similar sounds without needing ALL the peripherals. He's got the cut-off switch on his guitar, and whichever pedals, sure.

It's nearly time for me to sleep, excuse my rambling.

I have trouble picking which KFC Skin Pile track to show you here, but this one seems to most remind me of Rowe's sounds:

after the samplefest that is... You could skip to 1:00 marker in the interest of time...

OccultHawk · 01-30-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by clutnuckle

Oh, so you meant the guy who records under the name Jandek? RYM says his full name is "Sterling Richard Smith", so I figured there wouldn't be a first name for it. I've heard one of his albums and it's really cool, albeit taxing as hell...

There's a lot to shift through.

This sounds like a drunk (and stoned) John Fahey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2q4x...CB665FC95B89D7 (Jandek)

umm, who's Karel Jandek?

OccultHawk · 01-30-2011, 12:19 PM

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KFC Skin Pile

That's very cool, actually.

Thanks for showing it to me.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 01-30-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by clutnuckle

his compositions themselves are still often simple and poppy... Nothing wrong with that in the slightest, but it's not experimental.

You ever hear 'Bucketheadland'? It's a fairly bizarre CD in terms of arrangement. Strangely enough, it barely showcases Buckethead's skills but it's definitely not simple, and poppy.

Of course, after that Buckethead obviously gets more invested in technical presentation. Yet, early on he was quite a bit more experimental.

clutnuckle · 01-30-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

You ever hear 'Bucketheadland'? It's a fairly bizarre CD in terms of arrangement. Strangely enough, it barely showcases Buckethead's skills but it's definitely not simple, and poppy.

Did a bit of reading into it, and apparently it's not that guitar-heavy, so even if it's "an... impression of... Captain Beefheart." (what one review says), it's not really enough to garner him the title of experimental guitarist. Whenever I've heard him pick up a guitar and play for people, it's always been structured.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

There's a lot to shift through.

This sounds like a drunk (and stoned) John Fahey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2q4x...CB665FC95B89D7 (Jandek)

umm, who's Karel Jandek?

I assume he meant just Jandek but gave him a first name. :p I can't find any mention of Karel Jandek.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 01-30-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by clutnuckle

it's not really enough to garner him the title of experimental guitarist.

Well, he's an experimental composer who utilizes guitar in his pieces. I mean, essentially that's what Frank Zappa is, and he's generally considered avant-garde.

< I'd say that's somewhat avant-garde

Albeit, I do agree that I think Mr.Dood needs to expand his bounds a tad if he thinks Buckethead is necessarily the undisputed champion of the genre.

Another good choice: Ichirou Agata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TockTockTock · 01-30-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

Albeit, I do agree that I think Mr.Dood needs to expand his bounds a tad if he thinks Buckethead is necessarily the undisputed champion of the genre.

He probably will. Musicbanter is the best site for expanding your taste in music. I wouldn't know about a lot of the music I listen to now if it wasn't for this forum.

Mrd00d · 01-30-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by clutnuckle

Did a bit of reading into it, and apparently it's not that guitar-heavy, so even if it's "an... impression of... Captain Beefheart." (what one review says), it's not really enough to garner him the title of experimental guitarist. Whenever I've heard him pick up a guitar and play for people, it's always been structured.

I assume he meant just Jandek but gave him a first name. :p I can't find any mention of Karel Jandek.

I'd like to refer you to look, instead, at KFC Skin Piles.

It's not that he doesn't make experimental music anymore, or ever, it's that he doesn't exclusively want to just make avant-garde work. He likes all aspects of guitar playing, and finding ways to work in the madness. Yea?

I'm still re-aligning what I call avant-garde mentally... I keep sitting here thinking "Does this qualify?"

But I just thought someone here would have a few laughs here, they're having a blast:

Mrd00d · 01-30-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

He probably will. Musicbanter is the best site for expanding your taste in music. I wouldn't know about a lot of the music I listen to now if it wasn't for this forum.

Yea, Skali, I agree. I had THOUGHT I had come to MB with a very good head on my shoulders. I know no other person personally that knows half of what I have heard. And then I came to MB. It's pretty obvious when you get here you're in good hands.

My notebooks open. Bring it on.

Spoiler for Cuz, uh, ...:

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 01-30-2011, 01:21 PM

Not that Buckethead is bad, just there is no such thing as undisputed.