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Freebase Dali The Avant Garde/Experimental... 04-29-2010, 03:13 PM

BTown Any Noise or Math Rock... 04-29-2010, 04:55 PM

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN check out ahleuchatistas;... 05-02-2010, 10:43 PM

dankrsta Well, from what I've listened... 05-03-2010, 08:15 AM

xXAngelFireXx I just wanna say mad props... 01-11-2013, 09:50 PM

ink Not sure if Deerhoof counts? 06-30-2013, 10:30 AM

sidewinder Already covered most of these... 05-05-2010, 12:41 PM

MSC Dead Can Dance. Although I... 05-06-2010, 05:55 PM

ChrisWeave4700 Here are godly ones... 07-25-2011, 05:05 PM

OccultHawk Tool sucks. Also, I am so... 07-25-2011, 06:15 PM

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Hydro Glycemia Storm Corrosion Steven... 05-07-2012, 07:34 PM

NotDali92 Recommendations 10-09-2019, 11:49 AM

James You should check out U.S.... 04-30-2010, 01:02 AM

icastico azwarm aboombong dustdevil... 05-02-2010, 08:18 PM

someonecompletelyrandom I'm looking for some... 05-02-2010, 10:57 PM

chthonicstreams Dälek EL-P 02-10-2012, 08:38 AM

xXAngelFireXx Just how out there are you... 01-11-2013, 08:25 PM

Sub999 checked dalek?? 03-20-2014, 04:09 AM

BENJI bit cliche, but danny brown... 09-15-2018, 04:24 PM

BTown ^ Yeah I already know a few... 05-04-2010, 02:59 PM

MSC Merzbow... if you dare. 05-04-2010, 06:02 PM

paradox7 i dont know if they are math... 06-23-2010, 08:47 AM

Dayvan Cowboy can somebody recommend... 07-11-2010, 12:54 PM

zuluh Your missing 65daysofstatic,... 10-05-2010, 10:29 PM

Psy-Fi The Residents (They are one... 10-06-2010, 05:51 AM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra Zorn 10-06-2010, 07:17 PM

someonecompletelyrandom One word post? Yes. Does that... 10-06-2010, 07:28 PM

Janszoon How about Trans Am? Have you... 10-07-2010, 06:49 AM

Dayvan Cowboy I have Red Line, but I will... 10-07-2010, 06:54 AM

Dayvan Cowboy I like how everybody skipped... 10-07-2010, 05:24 AM

Janszoon Also, in terms of IDM, have... 10-07-2010, 07:07 AM

Dayvan Cowboy I have Clark's Clarence Park,... 10-07-2010, 07:52 AM

TockTockTock Any recommendations on avant... 12-06-2010, 06:50 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra Univers Zero, Art Zoyd,... 12-07-2010, 07:59 PM

dankrsta Well, you have avant-garde... 12-09-2010, 03:22 PM

TockTockTock What about any that... 12-18-2010, 10:33 PM

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someonecompletelyrandom I love Partch's instruments.... 12-19-2010, 05:26 PM

TockTockTock I'm blanking on a name... The... 12-28-2010, 06:00 PM

davey75 Interesting thread. I... 10-14-2010, 09:48 AM

debaserr i'd like to hear the... 11-10-2010, 08:53 PM

TockTockTock Can someone tell me why The... 11-26-2010, 03:54 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra They were amazingly ahead of... 11-27-2010, 02:29 PM

TockTockTock Any recommendations for The... 11-28-2010, 12:51 AM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra Constantinople? 11-28-2010, 01:55 AM

clutnuckle Krzysztof Penderecki,... 12-28-2010, 09:32 PM

TockTockTock I don't think that guy was... 12-28-2010, 10:21 PM

OccultHawk karlheinz stockhausen? 12-28-2010, 11:04 PM

clutnuckle ^^^ Yeah that should be it.... 12-29-2010, 12:22 AM

TockTockTock That's him. Thanks. 12-29-2010, 10:29 AM

TockTockTock I wish there were more... 01-12-2011, 05:57 PM

jasn Talk Talk: Spirit of Eden... 12-29-2010, 06:02 AM

dankrsta ^Well, JackPat, I was... 01-12-2011, 06:33 PM

TockTockTock Sounds good. 01-12-2011, 06:36 PM

Janszoon You can count me in! 01-12-2011, 08:34 PM

Bulldog I'm probably gonna be around... 01-13-2011, 10:32 AM

bob. go for it....could be very... 01-12-2011, 06:35 PM

dankrsta OK then :). But you'll have... 01-12-2011, 06:47 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra I'm very up for that. 01-12-2011, 07:22 PM

TockTockTock Alright, I've been searching... 01-20-2011, 12:13 PM

OccultHawk Early Sonic Youth? 01-20-2011, 12:39 PM

TockTockTock I already like them, but... 01-20-2011, 12:57 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra You could look into the... 01-20-2011, 12:59 PM

TockTockTock I'll look into it. Thanks. 01-20-2011, 01:02 PM

OccultHawk Have you heard Harry Pussy? ... 01-20-2011, 01:03 PM

TockTockTock Uh... I can't say that I... 01-20-2011, 01:05 PM

Urban Hat€monger ? There's a great Japanese band... 01-20-2011, 01:03 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra Ruins is ****ing... 01-20-2011, 01:06 PM

OccultHawk I was into Ruins before I got... 01-20-2011, 01:10 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra The only real relation to... 01-20-2011, 01:13 PM

bob. i second Ruins.....their... 01-20-2011, 01:28 PM

TockTockTock Foetus is good. Never heard... 01-20-2011, 01:34 PM

OccultHawk Zeni Geva, yes. Absolute... 01-20-2011, 01:36 PM

TockTockTock Wow, a lot of posts and... 01-20-2011, 01:46 PM

bob. i know i have something he... 01-20-2011, 02:05 PM

TockTockTock Any great industrial bands I... 01-22-2011, 06:41 PM

dankrsta Einstürzende Neubauten... 01-22-2011, 06:51 PM

Janszoon Also Cabaret Voltaire. :) 01-22-2011, 07:01 PM

dankrsta Oh yeah! How could have I... 01-22-2011, 07:07 PM

GravitySlips Ruins is a great suggestion,... 01-22-2011, 07:06 PM

GravitySlips I'll need to check out the... 01-22-2011, 07:22 PM

dankrsta SPK and Test Dept are both... 01-22-2011, 07:41 PM

TockTockTock Which Carabet Voltaire album... 01-22-2011, 08:19 PM

Urban Hat€monger ? Red Mecca 01-22-2011, 08:42 PM

TockTockTock What would be a good Thinking... 01-29-2011, 12:29 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra "In This Life" is a... 01-29-2011, 01:05 PM

Hank The Drifter I'm not sure where to go with... 02-02-2011, 04:21 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra As mentioned in the top 10... 02-02-2011, 04:27 PM

Sneer This album is up there with... 02-03-2011, 06:27 PM

dankrsta Your description reminded me... 02-03-2011, 12:43 PM

Sneer Set Fire To Flames - Sings... 02-03-2011, 06:31 PM

dankrsta ^Wow, that's great. Like a... 02-03-2011, 11:11 AM

TockTockTock They were both in Rock in... 02-03-2011, 03:28 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra Both RIO bands, Univers Zero... 02-03-2011, 05:33 PM

Insane Guest I am lacking of this genre.... 02-08-2011, 06:01 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra Avant-garde by definition... 02-08-2011, 06:24 PM

dankrsta This "genre" is so broad it's... 02-08-2011, 06:28 PM

Insane Guest I'd be happy to take that... 02-08-2011, 06:29 PM

debaserr U_iJNgLEDS4 sGHwWwQw3tc... 02-08-2011, 08:46 PM

TockTockTock Great musicians. Could never... 02-09-2011, 07:04 PM

Janszoon The three Bungle albums each... 02-09-2011, 07:06 PM

TockTockTock Oh, I know. I didn't like the... 02-09-2011, 07:14 PM

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dankrsta Hmmm, I can't find it either,... 02-14-2011, 03:57 AM

JBL Looking for instrumental music 03-30-2011, 11:10 AM

Key http://www.musicbanter.com/ava... 03-30-2011, 11:33 AM

eatingmoss Hey guys, so I was just... 04-03-2011, 12:54 PM

Janszoon Holy crap, someone beside... 04-03-2011, 12:59 PM

eatingmoss Oh man, everything about... 04-03-2011, 01:16 PM

eatingmoss Ooooooo, yep. Haha I've been... 04-03-2011, 01:18 PM

Bloozcrooz Im still venturing to unknown... 05-15-2011, 01:52 PM

ThePhanastasio If you're not already aware... 04-03-2011, 01:15 PM

Electrophonic Tonic The United States of America-... 07-01-2011, 12:06 PM

TockTockTock It's one of my favorite... 07-01-2011, 02:25 PM

Electrophonic Tonic I wouldn't have a problem... 07-01-2011, 02:54 PM

TockTockTock You could try looking into... 07-01-2011, 02:58 PM

Dillin523 my wanties 07-30-2011, 12:09 PM

Dillin523 Reccomendation 08-14-2011, 10:19 PM

CaptainSuck You really can't go wrong... 07-22-2011, 08:57 AM

Frownland Patton has definitely done... 08-20-2011, 04:23 PM

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra Apart from 'Adult Themes For... 08-21-2011, 01:11 AM

Frownland This is true. Perhaps Zorn... 08-21-2011, 08:10 AM

GravitySlips Indeed. You ever seen them... 12-29-2011, 09:21 AM

Frownland I wish, I've seen video of... 01-02-2012, 05:22 PM

TockTockTock Avant-garde pop? I mean,... 03-30-2012, 04:37 PM

GravitySlips Gastr Del Sol - Camoufleur ... 04-02-2012, 01:41 AM

xXAngelFireXx Lol, the Raincoats are just... 01-11-2013, 08:44 PM

wiggums 'Avant-Gotta-Clue" ... 01-17-2013, 09:19 AM

Sodomy4Hire p5yKoACJ-M0 I'l just leave... 11-27-2011, 11:31 PM

Electrophonic Tonic I just listened to Gorguts'... 12-12-2011, 12:30 PM

Sneer I've been listening to this... 12-29-2011, 09:08 AM

ikvat 2IJO804iNZA 03-27-2012, 05:36 AM

pulpcult Four tet! 04-01-2012, 10:27 AM

pulpcult Anything like Four Tet 04-07-2012, 05:27 AM

Sneer ZbDq-SnavJY 04-08-2012, 10:09 AM

appleghost That was a very nice track! I... 10-04-2012, 04:23 PM

Stephen Brian Harnetty - American... 06-13-2012, 12:45 AM

Pizzali12 I'd like some post-rock recs,... 06-30-2012, 11:20 PM

ikvat Les Marquises - Only Ghosts... 07-03-2012, 06:02 AM

ikvat XLX7Jvqo82M 09-13-2012, 05:26 AM

miettesbrainchild Really enjoyed this thread... 09-20-2012, 05:17 PM

miettesbrainchild Oh.. and a lot of these will... 09-20-2012, 05:21 PM

Awbseen I wouldn't call them... 10-03-2012, 12:44 PM

acmartinez10 Pnki 10-14-2012, 06:11 PM

crazyaga Maudlin Of The Well - Bath... 10-18-2012, 06:19 PM

Nexus ^ this right here is a smart... 10-19-2012, 09:46 AM

jent How to destroy angels is... 11-16-2012, 04:28 PM

Muuul AFN pretty cool so far! lots... 11-22-2012, 07:33 PM

wiggums The father of FM Synthesis!... 12-06-2012, 11:27 AM

blastingas10 I'm looking for... 01-02-2013, 01:36 PM

Janszoon Have you ever checked out... 01-02-2013, 01:38 PM

xXAngelFireXx So like freak-folk? Seeing as... 01-11-2013, 08:37 PM

blastingas10 I'll give them a try, thanks.... 01-02-2013, 01:55 PM

Janszoon I think so. I guess we'll see... 01-02-2013, 01:59 PM

xXAngelFireXx If anybody's into... 01-11-2013, 08:46 PM

Godstone I wouldn't call Metallica... 01-17-2013, 05:34 AM

jackhammer Let's just go down to a club... 01-29-2013, 05:37 PM

theSubMan I recently discovered a band... 04-08-2013, 06:28 AM

avant_hard Anyone heard Sonja... 04-21-2013, 03:00 AM

Scarlett O\'Hara I have decided to get into... 04-27-2013, 11:57 AM

TockTockTock Disco 3000 Heliocentric... 04-28-2013, 07:22 PM

OccultHawk What he said and Jazz in... 04-28-2013, 08:07 PM

Scarlett O\'Hara Thanks to both of you, I am... 04-28-2013, 08:18 PM

BR_ Kommissar Hjuler und Mama... 05-02-2013, 09:43 AM

skingrief A New Kind of Water 05-09-2013, 10:44 AM

Animus4Music This group is very unique 08-14-2013, 11:58 AM

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea This thread is a bit slow so... 08-20-2013, 10:01 PM

Frownland Have you heard Mr. Bungle?... 08-21-2013, 09:17 AM

skingrief Tricky, MF DOOM, Distorted... 08-22-2013, 07:15 AM

bulbasaur techno animal, maybe. that's... 09-26-2013, 07:39 AM

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea ^ Thanks! Great... 08-21-2013, 11:18 AM

scarymonster Mental Reproductions 08-22-2013, 06:52 AM

ghosTea Hello. Here are some that... 10-06-2013, 01:41 PM

moonlightx Nikki Jumper 01-11-2014, 03:51 PM

Wondermoose Big Black Jesus Lizard... 01-19-2014, 01:33 PM

Psy-Fi ^ Enough already! With these... 01-19-2014, 01:49 PM

hapiel Hi guys, I am not sure if I... 01-26-2014, 08:13 AM

Sub999 listen to bogus blimp! and... 03-20-2014, 04:10 AM

Sub999 some favorite avantgarde bads... 03-20-2014, 04:18 AM

NAbeing Similar albums to The End of... 07-14-2014, 07:08 PM

First Frequency Space coil Aube SQUAREPUSHER... 07-16-2014, 11:43 AM

First Frequency Space Drumcorps Seth Cluett... 07-16-2014, 11:51 AM

ryanchmura Anything like Stump leaning... 08-04-2014, 02:38 PM

Savage71 No one can beat "Tera Melos"... 08-11-2014, 02:05 AM

mountaineer psych/rock/esoteric 08-22-2014, 05:18 AM

Experimentalist experimental, minimal project... 10-05-2014, 11:17 AM

DeadChannel I'd appreciate some drone... 12-12-2014, 10:17 PM

Frownland Ah one of my all time... 12-12-2014, 10:24 PM

Zhanteimi Ben Frost. 12-12-2014, 10:21 PM

DeadChannel Thanks, I'll get on these... 12-12-2014, 10:29 PM

Metal Connoisseur Hello all, I recently... 01-31-2015, 06:53 AM

Imakandi I'm into the less extreme... 02-07-2015, 04:59 AM

Frownland Mr. Bungle, Sleepy Time... 02-07-2015, 01:04 PM

Imakandi These are fairly nice, if not... 02-07-2015, 07:46 PM

grindy The intro is pretty ****ed... 02-08-2015, 06:57 PM

Zyrada If you're looking for some... 02-08-2015, 07:36 PM

Imakandi I like those alot, the vocals... 02-15-2015, 06:59 PM

davefischer Koenjihyakkei are MASSIVELY... 02-26-2015, 07:22 AM

Mr. Sir So I heard this is the place... 03-25-2015, 06:24 PM

Frownland You like some good stuff... 03-25-2015, 06:38 PM

Mr. Sir I'm familiar with Melt Banana... 03-25-2015, 06:48 PM

Black Francis Click on the link below my... 03-25-2015, 06:54 PM

Mr. Sir I know The Pixies and... 03-25-2015, 06:57 PM

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grindy 6RtIBMW550E xN3Lk-PEFqA 04-17-2015, 09:14 AM

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grindy You have good taste. 08-11-2015, 11:04 PM

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grindy Off the top of my head: Non... 08-12-2015, 08:08 AM

Frownland x1500000 This Heat's vocals... 08-12-2015, 08:27 AM

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Frownland Why don't I have cool ****... 11-03-2015, 09:06 AM

grindy Frankfurt is sadly not my... 11-03-2015, 09:12 AM

Frownland You live in Germany, close... 11-03-2015, 09:16 AM

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lieu more like Massacre for the... 03-02-2016, 03:48 AM

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voynich_script Dr. Emok - Den andra sidan 03-02-2016, 06:44 AM

OccultHawk That's good stuff to explore 03-02-2016, 03:03 PM

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SuperSymmetry Maybe. 03-04-2016, 02:57 PM

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OccultHawk Failing Lights 06-28-2016, 06:57 PM

Mondo Bungle this is generally my... 06-29-2016, 07:25 PM

Frownland Glad you liked it! Here are... 06-29-2016, 08:06 PM

grindy Just had to listen to it... 06-30-2016, 01:26 PM

Frownland My vote goes to Eric Dolphy. 07-01-2016, 12:13 PM

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Frownland Love love love Ayler but I... 07-01-2016, 03:35 PM

OccultHawk It's close. But when I listen... 07-01-2016, 03:51 PM

Frownland When I talk about Dolphy, I... 07-01-2016, 03:55 PM

OccultHawk PS Ayler was a full on... 07-01-2016, 03:56 PM

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Frownland I'm thinking technicality... 07-01-2016, 04:00 PM

Rook I have explored a third of... 07-22-2016, 03:11 PM

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Frownland Don't toy with me boy. 04-17-2017, 09:53 PM

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	It's hard not to find something that isn't more of a punk parallel. These guys are pretty intense I think that hardcore European free jazz is your best bet. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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