windsock

Is there a thread on MB discussing things that creep/freak you out? Completely unrelated to literally everything previously mentioned. I'm just asking cause people are here.

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[MERIT]'s ban was really warranted Windsock. I wouldn't say that lightly cause I actually like him, I guess because I feel like underneath all this he's not unkind (which is why I tried to appeal to his empathy. It didn't work). Whether the mods are biased is another point, I haven't been here long enough to have a sensible opinion on that.

I really should learn how to do cartwheels

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Key

All this talk about cartwheels makes me want taco bell

Neapolitan

I don't believe none of that. He has a shrinking fanbase that is the reason why he got banned. The Batlord said worse things to me and Trollheart and got away either it cause he has a fan base. It's not about what terrible things you say, it's all about your fan base.

People never really cared when Merit's buttons got pushed. So I find it ironic about telling him there are limits, when no one here practices limits. I didn't care to see him get tease over the situation with his son. I felt that was off limits. I was hoping that he asked for a banned and not did do anything offensive or seemingly offensive or was made out to be more offensive than it actually was. I do not exactly known exactly what he did or what he said that got him banned so I can't make a judgment about the situation one way or the other.

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Zhanteimi

Here ya go, Windsock.

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MicShazam

I gotta work on becoming gay. Then people will finally like me.

windsock

I was planning on posting this tomorrow but honestly **** it, we'll do it live.

Merit sent me an email about a half-hour ago containing an open letter that I'm "free to share with everyone". I don't see a problem with doing so seeing as he isn't here to defend himself, and this thread seems like the appropriate place to post it. It's unedited other than a shrinking down of the text for space's sake.

Also please remember these words are not my own, so if you've got a problem with anything don't shoot the messenger. Kthx.

--

To Whom It May Concern,

[MERIT] here. Hope you're all well!

I have been banned for 6 MONTHS [yes, you read that right!] following a discussion last night in the "What Are You Watching Right Now?" thread. I was watching PRIDE 17, a Japanese MMA event. I did an internet search for "PRIDE 17" to find an image of it to post and, due to how the search algorithms work, the results that came up were pretty much all related to gay pride [rainbows, flags, parades, etc.]. I finally found an image of the MMA event and posted it, along with the message "TFW you Google 'Pride' and a bunch of rainbow propaganda pops up …"

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040437]

debaserr responded by giving me the definition of the word "propaganda."

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040528]


grindy then quoted my post, calling it “homophobic” and gave me a "warning." If it was flagged as being homophobic and offensive, it would have been removed. It was NOT removed, as it was NOT homophobic nor offensive in ANY way and did not violate ANY rules, whatsoever.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040551]

I assured everyone that I was being facetious in calling rainbow flags and gay pride parades "propaganda." I went on to say that other sexual persuasions don't hold pride parades, despite also being historically looked down upon or persecuted by society, and that I didn't see why homosexuals feel the need to do so. I also mentioned the detriment that such parades could cause by exposing innocent children to the adult participants who run around nude and in BDSM gear, flaunting their genitals in childrens' faces. I DID NOT equate homosexuality to necrophilia, as was erroneously stated in another thread; I simply listed other sexual orientations [polygamists, necrophiliacs, etc.] who DON'T feel the need to hold parades celebrating who they like to have sex with, and said that if someone chooses to so openly and blatantly define their self SOLELY based upon who they are attracted to, rather than focusing on more important factors, then they are inviting criticism. This post was subsequently removed by WWWP.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040623]

debaserr commented that it's not "propaganda" if it's true, as homosexuality and gay pride is a real thing that exists. I never denied that, despite said comment not being all that coherent nor cogent to the conversation.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040634]

I replied, assuring everyone that I was being facetious in describing rainbow flags and gay pride parades as "propaganda." I went on to say that I felt that I was purposely being singled out by grindy [a moderator], who historically has had a fervent personal vendetta against me simply because I exercise my right to speak out against Israeli and zionist war crimes against the Palestinians, as grindy is Jewish and somehow fails to comprehend the differentiation between Judaism and Israel from the indisputably evil crimes of zionism and the IDF. I further pointed out how I get along just fine with other Jews on the forum [especially windsock, who is cooler than the other side of the pillow], but it was to no avail. I also pointed out how grindy chooses to take any mention of homosexuality by me and twist it into a negative slight against him, simply because he is a cross-dresser, which has been evidenced by him posting images of himself wearing makeup, fake breasts and womens clothes.

I also mentioned how other members of the forum FREQUENTLY say things that are MUCH worse, and get away with it, simply because they are cliqued up with certain moderators. Batty [Dharma & Greg] OPENLY talks about his fantasies of raping aborted babies and urges other members [Mord / Zhanteimi] to MURDER their children because they are “too much of a strain on the environment and society.” grindy talks bad about Muslims and Arabs, calling them dogs. OccultHawk calls black people n*ggers all the time. Yet, I'm the bad guy?

I went on to address the libelous and erroneous claims of homophobia that were thrown at me, saying that as long as the parties are of legal age, mentally-capable and consenting, then I 100% support their right to have sex with whomever they please. I further addressed the slanderous claims of antisemitism, saying that I support the right for ANYONE to practice ANY belief system that they choose, as long as it doesn't infringe on the freedoms of others. I then expressed that I felt that any religion which believes that its members are superior to the rest of society is wrong in my opinion, BUT still has the right to exist and practice their beliefs. This post was also removed by WWWP.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040639]

debaserr went on to say to me: "f*ck you for perpetuating a society where people are treated like sh*t for being different." The words “f*ck you” sure sound like a personal attack. Where were the mods on that one? But I digress ...

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040645]

Batty then used a series of images to convey his feeling that we need gay pride parades to counter-balance the actions of white supremacists.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040648]

I replied to debaserr, assuring him/her that I have never perpetuated ANYTHING against ANYONE in a harmful way, and pointed out how I CLEARLY was advocating for people to have the right to do WHATEVER they want, as long as they aren't hurting others. I expressed my personal opinion that I didn't want to hear about it [i.e. gay pride parades], because I felt that there were more pressing issues in the world than who people like to have sex with. I then responded to Batty, saying that gay pride parades and racist neo-NAZI marches are BOTH eye sores in my personal opinion. My post was then edited and censored by WWWP.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040664]

Batty then called me a “repressed refugee from a Christian cult.”

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040665]

Key chimed in, conveying that I supposedly said that people should not have the right to freely express themselves, simply because I didn't want to hear about it.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040669]

I assured him that I NEVER said that nor intended for my words to be taken that way, going as far as saying: "I will openly advocate for your right to say and do things that offend me, because freedom is more important than peoples' feelings. That freedom also allots me the right to voice my disdain for the way that you choose to exercise your freedoms, without advocating for your freedoms to be infringed or revoked."

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040673]

I was advocating for personal liberty and freedom. How is that in any way "homophobic"?

ANSWER: It's not!

How is that in any way "antisemitic"?

ANSWER: It's not!

Key realized what I was saying, and we went on to agree that everyone has the right to express themselves in the manner of their choosing.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040674]

I said that in the future, I would just keep my comments to myself.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040680]

Batty went on to tell me that he felt that my freedom to disagree was tantamount to me actively and purposely oppressing certain people or groups.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040689]

I explained to Batty how that was incorrect, and posited that we are all entitled to our own personal opinions.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040695]

Batty went on to falsely equate my previous comments to a redneck curb-stomping a homosexual to death.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040702]

I went on to say that people have the right to exercise free will and that I am not personally responsible for others' personal behavior, further injecting that I do realize that some people in the world DO hold certain degrees of influence over others, due to their positions in society. I then conveyed that everyone should have the right to freely speak their mind without the threat of violent recourse. I reiterated that I would wholeheartedly fight for the right of others to disagree with me, because personal freedom and liberty is more important than any set of beliefs. This was an attempt to show Batty that the logic which he was using to attack me was incorrect.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040710]

WWWP chimed in that there was too much “cishet” energy in the room, a term referring to people who are not transexual. I find that offensive. If someone had said : “There's too much transexual energy in here for my liking!” they would be called a homophobe and a bigot and been banned. But apparently, if you're a straight female with a liberal ideology and you username is in blue, then it's perfectly acceptable to insult other people for their sexual preferences, without recourse.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040711]

Batty went on to talk about how people in power [i.e. NOT ME] have historically oppressed the freedoms of those with whom they disagreed.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040718]

Batty went on to express his views that Republicans are responsible for the atrocities committed against minorities.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040773]

I attempted to correct his erroneous view by posting a YouTube video detailing how the Democratic Party has been the one who has historically disenfranchised minorities, NOT the Republicans.

[https://www.musicbanter.com/media/89...l#post2040776]

That is the story in its entirety. If you hear ANYTHING different from what I have documented above, it is an outright LIE [such as Batty and Key saying that it was a "Top 10 most homophobic / racist rant of all time" or that you should thank yourself lucky that you didn't witness it firsthand].

And the next thing you, I'm BANNED for 6 MONTHS!

So, let's talk about THAT. Whatever happened to 24 hours, or even a week? SIX MONTHS?! Chula got banned for 6 months for [supposedly] threatening to shoot someone, yet Batty can threaten to poison me and my 8 year old son without recourse. I make 1 comment about the incongruity of an internet search algorithm and get banned for 6 months. Batty threatens to kill me and my son? NOTHING. Are you kidding me?

I STRONGLY urge the moderators [especially Exo] to reconsider this 6-month ban, as it was CLEARLY a knee-jerk overreaction and a MISTAKE.

I can be reached via email at [REMOVED]

Sincerely,

[MERIT]

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Zhanteimi

I think it's more of a matter of being able to trash on fellow MBers, but when you start targeting a whole demographic with hate, that's where the line is drawn. I can call Batty a faggot in good fun, not condemning any perceived homosexual behavior or tendency in him. We've both got history here, we're both regulars. But if I then turned around and started a diatribe about the homosexual agenda and how it's destroying America, then I'd get a well-deserved ban.

If Batty jokes about me beating my children (as he often does), it's no big deal. But if he then makes a serious post about condoning child abuse and domestic violence, he'd get banned. And he'd deserve it.

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windsock

Just bumping this up so it's not lost on the last page.

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Zhanteimi

Windsock, you know your posts are going to be removed, right?

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